Boris

[sodthisforfun]

My opinion is exactly that, my opinion.

My point is the use of inflammatory language for political gain, and stoking racial issues, for the same reason. I believe we are still the UK, and I have the right to have an opinion on how we live here. It is for the Austrians, Germans, Danish etc to decide what they feel is right for them. Do you think we should tell them they are right or wrong ?

Yes, if their practices are harming anyone.

What about child brides, forced marriages, FGM? All these things are part of a culture as well as face/head coverings. Do you think other countries should sit there like meek little mice and not say anything against such practices? Yes, you're correct in some respects about not trying to control what goes on in other countries and other cultures, but when does protecting children and women become less important than offending others cultures?

Debate, education, moving forward. Not preaching to others that that very debate is harmful because we run the risk of offending.

By the way, the court of human rights thinks it's ok to ban in Belgium, perhaps people should listen to their reasoning.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ll-face-islamic-veils-headscarf-a7835156.html

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

The fact is: the burka is a male distorted interpretation of religion in order to oppress women.

Fact? According to you, who alleges that Corbyn is a holocaust denier, and he is antiSemitic.
You appear to have difficulty differentiating between your version of facts, and fantasy.

 

[sodthisforfun]

Fact? According to you, who alleges that Corbyn is a holocaust denier, and he is antiSemitic.
You appear to have difficulty differentiating between your version of facts, and fantasy.

Please give proof otherwise.

 

[SammyInnit]

Not for me to judge what other countries decide. They have different history, cultural issues, and attitudes.

We live in the UK, and Boris represents our country our people and attitudes. I disagree with what he said.

My thoughts on face coverings are exactly that, my thoughts.

We need to stop thinking we are always right and the world should do the same as us (a western attitude ). What makes countries and the world different is exactly that, different attitudes and way of life.

All sounds very contradictory to me.

Are westerners different people or are we multicultural?

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Wearing the burka and other head coverings has a history that is based on oppression of women. It's irrelevant which country the Muslims now live in, it doesn't change the history.

As Yafo rightly said, we are discussing BJ and his comments, and the possible effects in a western society.
You are now changing the argument, widening it to encompass your supposition of other countries, to suit your prejudice and your previous erroneous comments.
You can only assume, from your western socialisation, what their view is from their perspective.

 

[sodthisforfun]

As Yafo rightly said, we are discussing BJ and his comments, and the possible effects in a western society.
You are now changing the argument, widening it to encompass your supposition of other countries, to suit your prejudice and your previous erroneous comments.
You can only assume, from your western socialisation, what their view is from their perspective.

You cannot be offended by Boris's comments without knowing why.

So I am prejudice and wrong? Really? I am wrong to be concerned about the welfare of oppressed women? Is that the same way you think those kids dancing were stupid? Well, I think you are prejudiced and wrong too.

As I just said:
Debate, education, moving forward. Not preaching to others that that very debate is harmful because we run the risk of offending.

 

[durhamplumber]

We need to stop thinking we are always right and the world should do the same as us (a western attitude ). What makes countries and the world different is exactly that, different attitudes and way of life.

Indeed.Well said.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Yes, if their practices are harming anyone.

A bit like christian missionaries throughout recorded history.
Are we being any different in insisting how other countries should behave, what they should or should not do, what laws and freedoms they should enact?

 

[ellal]

And the most amusing part is you asked me if I had ever told my wife or daughter not to wear something!

Wife certainly not...She I assume is an adult

But saying to a teenage daughter that wearing something that is totally inappropriate for a particular event/time is a no-no, is I believe good parenting...

Unless of course you believe that to be 'oppressive'?

 

[ellal]

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[sodthisforfun]

A bit like christian missionaries throughout recorded history.
Are we being any different in insisting how other countries should behave, what they should or should not do, what laws and freedoms they should enact?

History.
Clue in that word.

And yes, people should be able to speak up. Such as in the cases of FGM and child marriages. These practices are harmful in any country. So is imprisoning women, attacking women, giving women lashes for not wearing a headscarf or dancing in a video.. If you think all of these practices that are oppressing women, and any other things that oppress others are not worth speaking up about then there is no talking to you.

For someone who goes on and on about racism and minorities and trying to protect them from abuse (quite rightly, I may add) you seem to be very selective on who you think should be protected.

 

[sodthisforfun]

Wife certainly not...She I assume is an adult

But saying to a teenage daughter that wearing something that is totally inappropriate for a particular event/time is a no-no, is I believe good parenting...

Unless of course you believe that to be 'oppressive'?

You are the one who is trying to use this as an oppressive thing, not me. In fact, you are just talking to yourself.
Out of interest, why are you only talking about daughters? Not sons in your example?

 

[EFLImpudence]

Wife certainly not...She I assume is an adult

I'm sure that is only because your wife does not wear, for whatever reason, what you would think inappropriate?

But saying to a teenage daughter that wearing something that is totally inappropriate for a particular event/time is a no-no, is I believe good parenting...

So, that involves drawing lines at different positions at different times.

What, then about people who draw the line at the maximum position at all events/times?

Unless of course you believe that to be 'oppressive'?

The women might, possibly simply because you said it.

 

[ellal]

A bit like christian missionaries throughout recorded history.
Are we being any different in insisting how other countries should behave, what they should or should not do, what laws and freedoms they should enact?

Of course we are acting no different than we have ever done...

From the time of the crusades to the recent illegal wars/invasions we (the 'west') have tried to impose our 'values' on others...
(remember how we required Afghanistan/Iraq etc to embrace 'western democracy'?)

Which is no different from accusing the other side of trying to impose their 'values' on us!

 

[ellal]

You are the one who is trying to use this as an oppressive thing, not me.

I'm merely pointing out how hypocritical you are

Out of interest, why are you only talking about daughters?

Hmm...

And the most amusing part is you asked me if I had ever told my wife or daughter not to wear something!

I guess the clue is in there somewhere...

Unless of course you misunderstood your own post yet again