Boris

[JohnD]

... Tory's got the country into this mess, Tory's need to sort it out, lawfully.

Can't be done. The Brexers are expecting something that is impossible.

Theresa surrendered to the hardline quitters who decided (after the referendum) that they want the no-deal catastrophe.
You will not find this in the pre-referendum campaign, but they now say they will accept nothing else.

They also think that "no deal" means a clean break. But it actually means the beginning of years of negotiation from a weakened position, and a loss of jobs and industry.

 

[motorbiking]

A general election allows the Parties to prepare manifestos for what they plan to do and allow the people to vote. Hopefully one gets a majority and then they are able to implement their plans. There is no chance of us leaving on 31-Oct. A GE actually increases the likelihood of an extension being approved as at least we can see who the voters give support to.

The current parliament is a zombie, partly due to BoJo I would argue.

 

[JP_]

But if Tory win a GE (likely) they can use this to say people favour their hard Brexit approach, and try again to get no deal brexit.
If labour win, probably negotiate new deal (which Tories will block), then 2nd referendum.
If lib dem win, maybe revoke A50, then have another referendum once a deal is agreed, which could be years.

The problem is, a GE serves Tories only really, which is why no other party will call one. Better to sit back and watch the Tory party implode over Brexit, then pick up the pieces afterwards. Although, I still cannot see either labour or lib dem winning outright, or even being in a position to form a coalition with anybody other than each other.

 

[durhamplumber]

Best perforamance of a PM I've ever seen.

Not one person on the other side of the house had any decent statements, questions or come-backs.

And then getting no-where with the predictable "you broke the law say sorry" type remarks they all drifted into the faux-outrage of surrender.

Brilliant.

Well said.good points,well made.

 

[ellal]

Boris is simply a sociopathic thug...

He is inciting further hatred in a country irrevocably split...

And his quitter foot soldiers seem to love the chaos!

It ain't gonna end well!

 

[festive]

Why does everybody think an election will solve this mess? If labour and liberals agreed a coalition to pause Brexit, renegotiate and have a people's vote, then OK, but they have ruled that out already, which means an election serves the same purpose as prorogation - silencing Brexit debate to make it easier for Boris to force something through. Tory's got the country into this mess, Tory's need to sort it out, lawfully.

Hey Jonbey who agreed to Article50 oh was it just the tories?

Why don't you think an election will solve this mess?

Boris the Tory is trying to sort out this mess after May attempted to do the right thing and try and please the house, they just laughed at her and gave her enough rope to hang herself. Yes the rebels could of made a difference, but i agree and still agree im glad that deal wasnt accepted yes it was blocked by tories also voting down the deal. About 1% of non tory voted in favour of TM's deal, nothing to do with Brexit being tory led? Labour's manifesto was to leave in an orderly fashion Theresa Mays crap deal would of allowed that.

 

[festive]

Boris is simply a sociopathic thug...

He is inciting further hatred in a country irrevocably split...

And his quitter foot soldiers seem to love the chaos!

It ain't gonna end well!

Honestly.. what was being incited last night by both sides, even JC's husband the poor poor fella dragged into this mentioned both sides need to calm it. Boris didn't deserve the yelling and the desperate attempt to somehow link Boris to abusive aggressive behaviour against MPs and the tragic loss of her life over an incident completely unrelated to Boris. That was desperate and low, leave her to rest in peace please.

There are many 'cards' you can pull out at (in)appropriate times which demand and command default respect but there is a common protocol where they should only be used in genuine appropriate times.

 

[^woody^]

And in all the snowflake humbug and faux-outrage, and all the narrow selective press reporting today, no-one even mentions probably the most interesting and actual controversial exchange of the whole 5 hours

When asked if he will send the letter and obey the law, Boris's reply was a simple "No".

 

[ellal]

no-one even mentions probably the most interesting and actual controversial exchange of the whole 5 hours

When asked if he will send the letter and obey the law, Boris's reply was a simple "No".

It was duly noted...

It was also noted that the sociopathic thug's approach is now to simply incite hatred in order to draw attention away from the fact that he is in a dire predicament of his own making...

Although going by the comments of some of his 'disciples' here, it might work for a while!

 

[festive]

It was duly noted...

It was also noted that the sociopathic thug's approach is now to simply incite hatred in order to draw attention away from the fact that he is in a dire predicament of his own making...

Although going by the comments of some of his 'disciples' here, it might work for a while!

Oh ellal come on really? What is it with you lot, you just can't see past the football mentality of he's in the opposing team i must hate him..

How did he incite hate last night? Which side was yelling and throwing all sorts at him? Ok he was a bit abusive at Corbyn chanting 'free the islington one' ahem.

Still it wont be long will it, we the thickos will carry him over the finish line to Singapore on thames and hell dump us like a soiled nappy riding off into the sunset towards his new found millions.. go on

 

[JohnD]

When asked if he will send the letter and obey the law, Boris's reply was a simple "No".

Perhaps he is planning to resign the day before.

Perhaps he is planning to accept Theresa's deal the day before.

Perhaps he is planning to flee the country.

Perhaps he is planning to defy the law of the land. It's an attractive idea for him, to think that whoever happens to be Prime Minister at any particular time can do whatever he wants, overruling Parliament and overruling the Courts. He has already said that he does not agree with the unanimous decisions of the highest court in the UK.

As any dictator will tell you, it's essential to take control of the other centres of power. As many Brexers will tell you, the Judges are Enemies Of The People and must not be permitted to frustrate the Will of the Great Leader.

 

[^woody^]

Perhaps he is planning to resign the day before.

Perhaps he is planning to accept Theresa's deal the day before.

Perhaps he is planning to defy the law of the land. It's an attractive idea for him, to think that whoever happens to be Prime Minister at any particular time can do whatever he wants, overruling Parliament and overruling the Courts. As any dictator will tell you, it's essential to take control of the other centres of power. As many Brexers will tell you, the Judges are Enemies Of The People and must not be permitted to frustrate the Will of the Great Leader.

Or perhaps he's going to give you something else to constantly moan about on the 20th October and then 1st of November and for the rest of your life?

Hopefully.

 

[JohnD]

5:29 Johnson: 'I think the court was wrong to pronounce on what is essentially a political question at a time of great national controversy.'

 

[noseall]

Hopefully.

Do you think he may visit 'our friends in Brussels' and get that deal he so desperately craves?

 

[^woody^]

Do you think he may visit 'our friends in Brussels' and get that deal he so desperately craves?

He wont surrender, apparently.