Brexit with tariffs, or Brexit without tariffs? No-one knows

[ban-all-sheds]

FFS Bas, I am not trying to remove it; just reserve it for its actual meaning and stop people using it inappropriately which devalues the gravity of actual racism. .

Perhaps that is what you are trying to do. It definitely raises questions about your motives; much like many in the news at the moment.
When a white English MP defects with complaints of racism, this seriously devalues the meaning of the word and offence for those truly subjected to it throughout their lives.

From what you (for some inexplicable reason) are saying, you must think someone that someone with a white English mother and white French father are of mixed race. This is clearly ludicrous.

I've asked you before, and you've failed to answer.

Here's your opportunity to try again:

Please give an example of two races between which you think that racist attitudes would be possible.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Please give an example of two races between which you think that racist attitudes would be possible.

Are you serious?



People of two diffent races - nothing to do with nationality, religion, sexual orientation or anything else that people of all races might be.

Too difficult for you?

How about white people and black people?




Did you not think my previous answer of Caucasians and Australian Aborigines was good enough?

 

[durhamplumber]

Stop giving succour to the racists, the xenophobes, the haters, the denigrators of anything foreign, by whining about the word "racist" and denying what it means on the basis of now-spurious etymology.

You are biggest hater on here,,,by far

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Are you serious?

Yes.

How about white people and black people?

Are they different races? What makes them so, scientifically?

Did you not think my previous answer of Caucasians and Australian Aborigines was good enough?

Are they different races? What makes them so, scientifically?

 

[durhamplumber]

Yes.



Are they different races? What makes them so, scientifically?



Are they different races? What makes them so, scientifically?

You manage to hate everyone regardless of race.Unscientifically!

 

[ban-all-sheds]

You are biggest hater on here,,,by far

I doubt that.

If we went through the entire list of members and identified any I might hate, the number would always be less than the numbers hated by those who hate people because of their ethnicity, or where they were born, or how they came to be in the UK, or whether they work or receive benefits, etc.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Are they different races?

Are they not?

What makes them so, scientifically?

I do not see the relevance of scientifically at this time as you maintain that the French are a different race from Transam (we assume he is white European), whose steriotypical joke began the subject.

 

[jasonzyx]

Are you serious?



People of two diffent races - nothing to do with nationality, religion, sexual orientation or anything else that people of all races might be.

Too difficult for you?

How about white people and black people?




Did you not think my previous answer of Caucasians and Australian Aborigines was good enough?

Perhaps EFLImpudence likes to think he is a different race from blacks and aborigines.
I looked up the previous example of Aborigines. I found this:

I also found this:

Races may exist in humans in a cultural sense, but biological concepts of race are needed to access their reality in a non-species-specific manner and to see if cultural categories correspond to biological categories within humans. Modern biological concepts of race can be implemented objectively with molecular genetic data through hypothesis-testing. Genetic data sets are used to see if biological races exist in humans and in our closest evolutionary relative, the chimpanzee. Using the two most commonly used biological concepts of race, chimpanzees are indeed subdivided into races but humans are not.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3737365/

Therefore I would have to concur with Doppleganger, if the human race is just one race, by EFLImpudence's definition racism' cannot exist, but he accepts it does exist. Therefore either his definition is wrong, or his belief that racism exists must be wrong.
​

Humans are divided by culture, by language, but not by race.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

I do not see the relevance of scientifically

OK, so if you don't want to use a scientific definition of "race", what definition do you want to use?

 

[EFLImpudence]

OK, so if you don't want to use a scientific definition of "race", what definition do you want to use?

I am using the accepted definition.

This is getting silly. Your determination to justify the misguided hole you dug for yourself is leading to tedious irrelevant questions.


I note you have not addressed my questions regarding mixed-race children.

 

[jasonzyx]

I am using the accepted definition.

This one?

Modern scholarship regards race as a social construct, that is, a symbolic identity created to establish some cultural meaning.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_categorization)​

In which case English are a different race to French, Irish are a different race to Welsh, Catholics a different race to Jews, Liverpool FC supporters are a different race to Sheffield supporters, etc.

Or do you pick and choose which cultural differences suit your ideas at the time?

 

[jasonzyx]

Is it racist to maintain that, say, Belgians are a different race?

Normans, Angles, Saxons, Scandinavians etc. certainly are not

This one?

Modern scholarship regards race as a social construct, that is, a symbolic identity created to establish some cultural meaning.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_categorization)​

It would appear that Belgians are indeed a different race to say, British.
So are Scandinavians a different race to British.

I don't think anyone still classifies themselves as Normans, Angles or Saxons. But yes, they would be classed as different races using the social construct definition of races.

 

[durhamplumber]

doubt that.

Its a FACT!

 

[durhamplumber]

OK, so if you don't want to use a scientific definition of "race", what definition do you want to use?

You do not need race,colour etc to hate,,Brexit is enough for you..Your greatest concerns are not upsetting terrorists.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Modern scholarship regards race as a social construct, that is, a symbolic identity created to establish some cultural meaning.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_categorization)​

Haven't read all of it, but there seems to be quite a lot of variation and contradiction in the link.

Shall we go with this as the usual understanding?

So, according to you, there are either seven billion races or there is none.

It is strange that you would agree with Doppleganger as he had a lot of difficulty understanding what people wrote.