Britain waives the Rules - Reneging on the WA?

[Vinty]

Before Brexit using GB as a land bridge was easy.

Not now, UK will not be in SM any more NI will.

I'll look up the new routes and post the ferry web link

Found any new routes yet Notch.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Found any new routes yet Notch.

There doesn't need to be any new routes, just increase the sailings for the existing routes, which is what they're doing.
There's no need for any additional land based infrastructure, just some additional ferries, and there's some going begging. The cross channel ferries are being reduced due to Covid.

 

[Vinty]

Before Brexit using GB as a land bridge was easy.

Not now, UK will not be in SM any more NI will.

I'll look up the new routes and post the ferry web link

Found any new routes yet Notch.

There doesn't need to be any new routes, just increase the sailings for the existing routes, which is what they're doing.
There's no need for any additional land based infrastructure, just some additional ferries, and there's some going begging. The cross channel ferries are being reduced due to Covid.

The existing routes are Holyhead , Liverpool and Cairnryan.
If they are boycotted then they are going to need a lot more ships if they want to get to mainland Europe ,also ships are slower and will have sail longer distances, it won't make economic sense, if it did wouldn't they be doing it already.

 

[Vinty]

Before Brexit using GB as a land bridge was easy.

Not now, UK will not be in SM any more NI will.

I'll look up the new routes and post the ferry web link

Did it for you Notch.

https://www.ft.com/content/dbeecd9c-3754-11e8-8b98-2f31af407cc8

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Found any new routes yet Notch.

The existing routes are Holyhead , Liverpool and Cairnryan.

And

There are 4 ferry routes operating between France and Ireland offering you combined total of 8 sailings per week. Irish Ferries operates 1 route, Cherbourg to Dublin which runs 3 times weekly. Brittany Ferries operates 3 routes, Cherbourg to Rosslare runs 1 time per week, Roscoff to Cork about 1 time weekly & Roscoff to Rosslare about 1 time weekly. Stena Line operates 1 route, Cherbourg to Rosslare which runs 2 times weekly.
https://www.directferries.com/ferries_from_france_to_ireland.htm#:~:text=Irish Ferries operates 1 route,which runs 2 times weekly.
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If they are boycotted then they are going to need a lot more ships if they want to get to mainland Europe ,

Brittany Ferries alone are taking at least two ferries out of action until Spring 2021 due to Covid.
That's potentially an increase of 16 additional crossings per week, just from Brittany Ferries. That's a tripling of current capacity just with the Brittany Ferries additional crossings. But there would be numerous redundant cross-channel ferries available from other operators.

also ships are slower and will have sail longer distances, it won't make economic sense, if it did wouldn't they be doing it already.

Of course, it's potentially more economical to go via the UK land bridge, at the moment. But there's not a lot in it.
Approx 14 hours via UK land bridge against 18 hours via the ferry. Imagine a few hours delay at Rosslare, Pembroke, Dover and Cherbourg, and the whole picture changes.
However there are numerous hauliers making the direct route.
Come a No Deal Brexit, it will all change.

 

[Vinty]

And

There are 4 ferry routes operating between France and Ireland offering you combined total of 8 sailings per week. Irish Ferries operates 1 route, Cherbourg to Dublin which runs 3 times weekly. Brittany Ferries operates 3 routes, Cherbourg to Rosslare runs 1 time per week, Roscoff to Cork about 1 time weekly & Roscoff to Rosslare about 1 time weekly. Stena Line operates 1 route, Cherbourg to Rosslare which runs 2 times weekly.
https://www.directferries.com/ferries_from_france_to_ireland.htm#:~:text=Irish Ferries operates 1 route,which runs 2 times weekly.
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Brittany Ferries alone are taking at least two ferries out of action until Spring 2021 due to Covid.
That's potentially an increase of 16 additional crossings per week, just from Brittany Ferries. That's a tripling of current capacity just with the Brittany Ferries additional crossings. But there would be numerous redundant cross-channel ferries available from other operators.



Of course, it's potentially more economical to go via the UK land bridge, at the moment. But there's not a lot in it.
Approx 14 hours via UK land bridge against 18 hours via the ferry. Imagine a few hours delay at Rosslare, Pembroke, Dover and Cherbourg, and the whole picture changes.
However there are numerous hauliers making the direct route.
Come a No Deal Brexit, it will all change.

Only tourists want to go to Cherbourg,

 

[fillyboy]

And the little one said "roll over", so they all rolled over and one fell out, there was one in the bed and the little one said, roll over, so they all rolled over and one fell out, Oh dear there's none left in the bed:

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https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-b...uits-over-brexit-deal-threat-ft-idUKKBN25Z1GT​

Another remainer out of the civil service, excellent.

It must have dawned on him, No deal, No WTA, perhaps he read article 50.

 

[ellal]

"Government admits Boris Johnson’s Brexit plans break international law"

No leadership, no trust, no hope!

 

[JohnD]

"Government admits Boris Johnson’s Brexit plans break international law"

I wonder why it is that people are unwilling to take Boris' word for anything, and insist on binding treaties that can be enforced.

 

[fillyboy]

Government admits Boris Johnson’s Brexit plans break international law

Stretching it a bit.

The NI Secretary said it would go against the treaty in a "specific and limited way", but that the legislation was designed to be a safety net, in case the trade negotiations fail.

 

[ellal]

I wonder why it is that people are unwilling to take Boris' word for anything, and insist on binding treaties that can be enforced.

Corrected for you...

I wonder why it is that people in other countries are unwilling to take Boris' word for anything, and insist on binding treaties that can be enforced.

borisconi and geobbels know they can do whatever they like within the UK given their command of the stupid proportion of the electorate and a corrupt/antiquated electoral system!

 

[ellal]

Stretching it a bit.

The NI Secretary said it would go against the treaty in a "specific and limited way", but that the legislation was designed to be a safety net, in case the trade negotiations fail.

So it's ok to break international law in a "specific and limited way" ?

Care to define 'specific' and 'limited' ?

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Stretching it a bit.

The NI Secretary said it would go against the treaty in a "specific and limited way", but that the legislation was designed to be a safety net, in case the trade negotiations fail.

It matters not a jot. After December 2020 EU law will trump any UK domestic laws:

Article 4 says that both the agreement and any EU law applying to the UK under the agreement should have the same effect as it has in EU member states.

This includes “direct effect”, which allows private parties to invoke their rights under the withdrawal agreement before both UK courts, as well as EU member states.

It also gives EU law supremacy over domestic law – the courts could disapply any domestic legislation which is incompatible with EU law.

In the March draft, this only applied to citizens’ rights. It would now apply to the entire agreement.
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And

The agreement has settled on a political resolution, then arbitration process rather than the establishment of a court (and this will form the basis of the dispute resolution process for the future framework).

The proposed role for the European Court of Justice (ECJ) in the withdrawal agreement reflects the ECJ’s position that only the ECJ can bind certain interpretations of EU law and concepts.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/brexit-deal-withdrawal-agreement​

 

[fillyboy]

I wonder why it is that people in other countries are unwilling to take Boris' word for anything, and insist on binding treaties that can be enforced.

Most countries outside of the EU would stand squarely behind us, no deal, no WA.
Do you seriously believe the EU are any less in breach of the WA than we are?

Sir Bernard Jenkin has put out a statement on behalf of the ERG Steering Group, calling on the government to scrap the Withdrawal Agreement entirely in the event of no trade deal being agreed with the EU:

“If we don’t reach a deal with the EU, Brexit is not done until the UK government succeeds in its determination to assert its own interpretation of the Withdrawal Agreement

“If the EU is unwilling to do a deal with us, there are two options. The first is to enact domestic legislation that will largely nullify the direct effect and direct applicability of EU law. We have the mandate and majority to do this

“Second, if the EU insists on an unreasonable interpretation of the Withdrawal Agreement, the UK must stand ready to repudiate it. I hope it is not necessary, but if it is the only way to achieve UK prosperity and the kind of sovereign independence which is the democratic right of any nation recognised under the UN Charter, then so be it. And most other nations would respect us for that

 

[ellal]

Most countries outside of the EU would stand squarely behind us, no deal, no WA.

You obviously don't understand the concept of the WA...

The clue is in the word 'agreement'

Do you seriously believe the EU are any less in breach of the WA than we are?

If you believe you know where the EU is in breach of the WA then feel free to show us where!

You won't of course, because you can't!