British have had enough

[sodthisforfun]

There is not as many because now only some of the comedians are allowed to tell them - namely women.

It is the same with racist jokes - only black/asian comedians are allowed to tell them.

Fine by me.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

As was the case recently; criticism of the actions of Jewish people is automatically greeted with the response that it is (the also wrongly used word) "anti-semitism".

Completely different and not a sensible comparison.
AntiSemetism is bigotry against Jews. Nothing more, nothing less.
Whereas criticism of Israel, its government, its policies, etc is not antiSemetism.
An incorrect claim of antiSemetism may be used by some to silence criticism of Israel.
Whereas an accusation of racism is condemnation of bigotry based on perceived differences, not actual or real differences.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Fine by me.

Exactly, we (white men, I presume) don't care what anyone says.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

It is the same with racist jokes - only black/asian comedians are allowed to tell them.

If one tells a joke that ridicules oneself, it is not racist,or sexist, or homophobic.
If one tells a joke that ridicules a whole bunch of other people based on their perceived differences, it may be racist, sexist, homophobic, etc.
You appear to be having serious trouble in differentiating between self-ridicule and real racism, homophobic, sexist behaviour.
On that misunderstanding you appear to claim that racism, etc cannot exist.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

AntiSemetism is bigotry against Jews. Nothing more, nothing less.

Not against all of, or any of the other, Semitic peoples?

Whereas criticism of Israel, its government, its policies, etc is not antiSemetism.
An incorrect claim of antiSemetism may be used by some to silence criticism of Israel.

I think you'll find that that was exactly the point EFLI was making.

Whereas an accusation of racism is condemnation of bigotry based on perceived differences, not actual or real differences.

And I think he was by inference trying to make the point that sometimes an accusation of racism is as incorrect as the accusation of anti-Semitism often is.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Nobody said anything about pretending.

Elfi has consistently claimed that racism cannot possibly occur because we are all the same race.

 

[EFLImpudence]

I have had to have a look and see you, Bas, have replied to the one I ignore.

He is constantly wrong and cannot understand the meaning of words.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

I think you'll find that that was exactly the point EFLI was making.

I agree, but my first sentence explained why I disagree with Elfi:

Completely different and not a sensible comparison.

And I think he was by inference trying to make the point that sometimes an accusation of racism is as incorrect as the accusation of anti-Semitism often is.

I disagree with Elfi on this point because he claims that racism is used incorrectly because there is no real difference in race. Whereas I have consistently argued that the real difference is irrelevant, it is the perceived difference (by the perpetrator) that causes the bigotry.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Exactly, we (white men, I presume) don't care what anyone says.

Because you do not care, is not sufficient reason to ignore (and thereby acquiesce) to bigotry.
Some do care. Some recognise the division and violence caused in society by bigotry.
If we allow bigoted opinion only to remain, that bigoted opinion becomes the dominant opinion and radicalises the younger generation.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

I have had to have a look and see you, Bas, have replied to the one I ignore.

He is constantly wrong and cannot understand the meaning of words.

You have replied?
It would appear you misunderstand the Ignore function.
If you are ignoring me, then you will not see my comments. However I will still see yours.
If you replied, we would all see it.

If you are ignoring me, how can you possibly make an educated assumption that I am constantly wrong?
I think your bigotry is on full display for all to see.

 

[EFLImpudence]

I will respond to this and no more.

Elfi has consistently claimed that racism cannot possibly occur because we are all the same race.

No.

What I probably said was something like in general Jews are the same race as Palestinianls so they cannot be racist to each other.

Because you do not care, is not sufficient reason to ignore (and thereby acquiesce) to bigotry.

I meant, of course, do not mind jokes against us. We are not allowed to tell jokes against others.

Some do care. Some recognise the division and violence caused in society by bigotry. If we allow bigoted opinion only to remain, that bigoted opinion becomes the dominant opinion and radicalises the younger generation.

Then we had better apply the same rules to female and black/asian comedians.


Bye.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

What I probably said was something like in general Jews are the same race as Palestinianls so they cannot be racist to each other.

You have consistently argued that racism cannot exist because we are all the same race.
I have consistently countered that with, "the actual difference is irrelevant, it is the perceived difference that causes the bigotry."
But, supposedly, you refuse to read my comments or to engage in discussion with my argument.
That is typical of bigoted behaviour.

I meant, of course, do not mind jokes against us. We are not allowed to tell jokes against others.

If a white/female/gay person tells a joke that ridicules his/her own self/family/friends etc, it is not racist/sexist/homophobic. It is self-ridicule.
If those same people tell jokes that ridicule a whole bunch of 'others' based on their characteristics it is very much racist/sexist/homophobic etc.
For someone who claims to be intelligent I am surprised that you cannot perceive that difference.

Then we had better apply the same rules to female and black/asian comedians.

The rules are quite clear: self-ridicule is perfectly acceptable. Ridicule of others based on their characteristics which are perceived to be different from one's own is not acceptable.

If you can find an example of black/asian comedians telling jokes based on the perceived difference of others, do please share it with us.

 

[transam]

He said Bye R bee

Austria is proposing to shut 7 Mosques & turf out 40 Imans. Turkey have claimed it is a classic case of Islamaphobia & racism

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

He said Bye R bee

So he has gone rather than engage in sensible discussion.
I wonder why.

 

[Notch7]

So he has gone rather than engage in sensible discussion.
I wonder why.

yes -there was no sensible discussion to be had from you, not the other way round.

havent you worked it out yet?