thanks again next to the pump on return about 2" up after the stop cock is a soldered tee with a soldered block end, on the feed is another tee that bends down to a drain valve is this what you mean the one on the return i have just tapped at it and not made any diff, there is only 2 pipes from coming out the wall from the boiler what are the 28mm flow and return you mentioned is that the lead under the floor