Can I fit an unvented cylinder...

[kevplumb]

as you are obviously totally competent and know exactly what you are doing

why do you keep going on and on about it

and on and on and on

getting a bit boring now

as well as being totally pointless

oh yeah you won't see this as i am being ignored

 

[Goldspoon]

Group hug?

 

[kevplumb]

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Kev - if you believe that there is a law which requires a qualification, (and therefore a contravention in which a judge would be interested) then please tell us what it is.

If you don't believe that there is such a law then please tell us why you keep pretending that there is.

 

[kevplumb]

Kev - if you believe that there is a law which requires a qualification, (and therefore a contravention in which a judge would be interested) then please tell us what it is.

If you don't believe that there is such a law then please tell us why you keep pretending that there is.

i never said there is a law

however try and make a warranty claim without the paperwork

and if anything happens the fact that the installer is not deemed competent (ie certificated) will be the cross they will nail him to

so you just keep telling people that they can do it
same as you do in the sparks forum (yeah)
same as diy gas work

oh lets have that one dragged up again

 

[Corgigrouch]

Ok folks... Since the legal side should be left to the lawyers, lets look at the practical side.. An unvented needs to be registered when it is installed, installation goes in the home owners pack along with new boiler cert, Fensa cert etc etc.. Yes? and when selling the house the new buyer wants to see these certs.. No? So when a diyer fits an unvented how can he obtain and installation certificate if he has no formal training and G3 ticket to prove that he is competent.. No installation cert makes the house less saleable, if I was the buyer, I would reduce the price of the house by the cost of fitting a new unvented in anticipation of correcting any mistakes, even if the cylinder had been installed perfectly.... It's a buyers market

 

[ban-all-sheds]

i never said there is a law

tell it to the judge

I must have misinterpreted that.

however try and make a warranty claim without the paperwork

and if anything happens the fact that the installer is not deemed competent (ie certificated) will be the cross they will nail him to

Indeed, and that may be a good reason for not DIYing, but my issue was with all the people trying to make out that DIYing would actually be illegal.

so you just keep telling people that they can do it

Nowhere have I said that they can, only that it is untrue to say that they may not.

same as you do in the sparks forum (yeah)

And on that forum I regularly tell people that they cannot do what they plan. Not may not, but cannot - there is a difference.

same as diy gas work

oh lets have that one dragged up again

DIY gas work is not unlawful per se.

If it were then that would be a very simple reason to tell people not to so it, but it is precisely because there is no such simple reason, i.e. precisely because it is not unlawful that the site bans all advice on gas fitting.

The censorship would be completely unnecessary if people could truthfully be told "no you can't because it's illegal".

 

[ban-all-sheds]

So when a diyer fits an unvented how can he obtain and installation certificate if he has no formal training and G3 ticket to prove that he is competent..

He gets it by notifying the work to LABC. He can't self-certify, so he notifies, they check the work, and they issue (or not) a completion certificate.

Now - that probably works as well in practice as trying to notify electrical work when you aren't competent to issue an EIC, but difficulties in making the process work don't mean that the process does not exist, i.e. they don't mean that you aren't allowed to DIY.

 

[kevplumb]

like i said i never said it was illegal

but if anything happens you still finish up in front of the beak

personally i think it's about time the law was clarified on all these points

but those who make them obviously don't agree

now there is something (gas safe) can do to make a change to the industry

 

[Corgigrouch]

Exactly... And they send out a contracted G3 engineer and charge you for the privilege.. In turn he will pick out every minor contravention making life very difficult, after all it is his name that goes on to the paperwork... It doesn't have to be made illegal it is just too difficult for normal folk... A bit like electrical regs get round having to make law the use of RCDs on every circuit... it is just the less difficult option.

 

[Axel]

I fitted an external expansion vessel ( rated over 12 bar etc) to my Megaflo as an additional expansion relief device, and oh yes, a pressure gauge, so I can see what the hell is occurring with it. Apparently Megaflo have been known to do this as a solution when their new cylinders have repeated bubble trubble....

 

[petit_pablo]

Heatrae sadia dont authorise the fitting of external expansion vessels on their megaflo cylinders. Ive tried that conversation with them before.

 

[Goldspoon]

everyone (except you and, later on, Agile) proceeded to sneer, mock, throw sarcastic comments, or post factually incorrect information.

 

[Axel]

Heatrae sadia dont authorise the fitting of external expansion vessels on their megaflo cylinders. Ive tried that conversation with them before.

Well, an additional one could be fitted under the kitchen sink....far from their precious cylinder, and still have some benefit...!

They have fitted one on a customer's cylinder themselves on a previous occasion.

 

[Goldberg]

Well if you want to follow that "logic" then I presume that you will drive on the right ( in the UK ) just because there is no "law" that says you have to drive on the left ?

There can be only one point of you writing something so idiotic - to goad.

Well consider me goaded into pointing out that your inferred logic is flawed.

Somone who obtains a "training certificate" and who becomes a "registered operative" is not doing anything wrong, but the law doesn't say anywhere that doing so is mandatory, so someone who doesn't do those things isn't doing anything wrong either. The law only says that certain information, where it exists, must be provided as part of the notiification process.

Driving on the left is mandatory according to common law. That is to say that people have been prosecuted for driving on the wrong side. There are also abundant traffic bollards that tell us which side of each of them to drive, and we're statutorily obliged to obey traffic signs.

Do you want to make any more attempts to persuade me that there is a law that defines who is allowed to install, or work on, or touch, a hot water storage vessel which does not incorporate a vent pipe to the atmosphere?