Can we trust the police?

[craig51]

"TBF all he had to do was stop "

He was stopped.

He was sitting in a side seat. To his left a met observer (unarmed), to his right a lady, and opposite a couple (witnesses in the case)

Police boarded, grabbed him from the seat to the floor and shot him 7 times.

Police say they did give a warning, all public witnesses say they didnt!!!

Granted, had they gave a warning and he moved, ran etc then fine, shoot him, agree with that 100%, but in this case, no warning was given, certainly not a clear one was given, therefore IMO he was wrongly killed.

 

[toptec]

Unfortunately who are you going to complain too,
Independent Police Complaint Authority

Not them you won't. They don't exist.

 

[blondini]

let's not do the menenezzezz thing here.... but put yourself in the shoes of a gun cop in terrorist ridden London and a suspects runs off when you approach... and heads towards the tube... innocent, yes... but was there potential? probably !

Let's not do Mr de Menezes wrong here either then. Don't you know that the initial reports that he ran off were completely and utterly false? Have you been following the inquest at all? The police version of this dreadful event is being pulled apart.

 

[gremlin16]

Not them you won't. They don't exist.

Ok so its a commission that does not like complaints then.

Whith the mistackes I make in my posts the police force would gladly give me a job and an instant prromottion.






Did not want to any plod by using correct spelling, but thought that members of the public would appreciate correct spelling)

(With the mistakes I make in my posts the police force would gladly give me a job and an instant promotion.)


Bet your glad to be a retired plod toptec, sure would be an ing place to work in these days.

 

[kevplumb]

class

 

[gremlin16]

Where you been hiding Kev

 

[imamartian]

let's not do the menenezzezz thing here.... but put yourself in the shoes of a gun cop in terrorist ridden London and a suspects runs off when you approach... and heads towards the tube... innocent, yes... but was there potential? probably !

Let's not do Mr de Menezes wrong here either then. Don't you know that the initial reports that he ran off were completely and utterly false? Have you been following the inquest at all? The police version of this dreadful event is being pulled apart.

I'm doing what everyone does.... i listen to what i'm told, or what i read, and form a judgement based on that. No, i haven't followed the case very closely, but i do have the impression from seeing the cctv footage on the tv that Mr de Menezes was moving more quickly than someone walking.... but i could be wrong.
I didn't mean to disrespect anyone in my post, and my comment was meant to be hypothetical (although based on the de Menezes case).

 

[blondini]

i listen to what i'm told, or what i read, and form a judgement based on that. No, i haven't followed the case very closely, but i do have the impression from seeing the cctv footage on the tv that Mr de Menezes was moving more quickly than someone walking.... but i could be wrong.
I didn't mean to disrespect anyone in my post, and my comment was meant to be hypothetical (although based on the de Menezes case).

I'm not anti police but in this particular case their version of events is very much in question. For example all of the witnesses on the tube carriage have denied their claims that they gave warnings.

There were reports that he ran from the police and vaulted the ticket barriers. These were later found to be untrue. I can't link to this footage as it also shows a man lying dead in a tube carriage.

CCTV reveals Menezes' final moments.
Jean Charles de Menezes was shown picking up a morning paper and walking calmly through Stockwell Tube station in the moments before he was shot dead on the Underground by police...
Contrary to reports at the time, Menezes – who had been mistaken by police for a suicide bomber – was not running and did not jump over the ticket barriers, the newly released footage clearly showed.

The police have already been found guilty of endangering the public. What happens next depends on the verdict of the inquest.

 

[kevplumb]

i listen to what i'm told, or what i read, and form a judgement based on that. No, i haven't followed the case very closely, but i do have the impression from seeing the cctv footage on the tv that Mr de Menezes was moving more quickly than someone walking.... but i could be wrong.
I didn't mean to disrespect anyone in my post, and my comment was meant to be hypothetical (although based on the de Menezes case).

I'm not anti police but in this particular case their version of events is very much in question. For example all of the witnesses on the tube carriage have denied their claims that they gave warnings.

There were reports that he ran from the police and vaulted the ticket barriers. These were later found to be untrue. I can't link to this footage as it also shows a man lying dead in a tube carriage.

CCTV reveals Menezes' final moments.
Jean Charles de Menezes was shown picking up a morning paper and walking calmly through Stockwell Tube station in the moments before he was shot dead on the Underground by police...
Contrary to reports at the time, Menezes – who had been mistaken by police for a suicide bomber – was not running and did not jump over the ticket barriers, the newly released footage clearly showed.

The police have already been found guilty of endangering the public. What happens next depends on the verdict of the inquest.

fair comment but put yourself in there shoes at the time

 

[kevplumb]

Where you been hiding Kev

ashland city TN

 

[NS215]

I thought he had got on a bus then off again and then entered the tube then come back out for a paper (or something along those lines) so for the cop on the street not really normal behaviour after all the info the cop on the front line had been given.
All the excuses are from the top brass trying to save the own asses from a monumental c*ck up.
All the people who call the police should go out with them for a month and see all the **** they have to put up with in their day to day duties and I'm sure most would think again
Sure there are some ars*oles out there but so to in every walk of life

 

[imamartian]

I thought he had got on a bus then off again and then entered the tube then come back out for a paper (or something along those lines) so for the cop on the street not really normal behaviour after all the info the cop on the front line had been given.
All the excuses are from the top brass trying to save the own asses from a monumental c*ck up.
All the people who call the police should go out with them for a month and see all the s**t they have to put up with in their day to day duties and I'm sure most would think again
Sure there are some ars*oles out there but so to in every walk of life

well put... that's kind of the point i'm trying to make !

 

[blondini]

I thought he had got on a bus then off again and then entered the tube then come back out for a paper (or something along those lines)

He was on a bus, got off at a tube station, then got straight back on the bus and the police defence claimed in court that this was an anti surveillance technique. However the fact emerged that the first tube station was closed so it was completely normal to jump back on the bus to get to the next tube station.

My first opinion on this case, based on misinformation, was that he had behaved foolishly. Then it came to light that he hadn't done any such thing but I still thought that the police had acted correctly..

Now with the evidence emerging from the inquest I am starting to think that it was the police who acted foolishly and that they have tried to cover up their errors.

 

[imamartian]

I thought he had got on a bus then off again and then entered the tube then come back out for a paper (or something along those lines)

He was on a bus, got off at a tube station, then got straight back on the bus and the police defence claimed in court that this was an anti surveillance technique. However the fact emerged that the first tube station was closed so it was completely normal to jump back on the bus to get to the next tube station.

My first opinion on this case, based on misinformation, was that he had behaved foolishly. Then it came to light that he hadn't done any such thing but I still thought that the police had acted correctly..

Now with the evidence emerging from the inquest I am starting to think that it was the police who acted foolishly and that they have tried to cover up their errors.

You seemed well informed in this case blondini, whereas most punters aren't this well informed..but the point remains.... if the police have a hunch, and their actions will protect the lives of 15 people, then doesn't the removal of one individual be justified? I apolgise again for being close to the de Menezes case.. i don't suggest for one minute that J C D Menezes was guilty of any crime.

 

[kevplumb]

I thought he had got on a bus then off again and then entered the tube then come back out for a paper (or something along those lines)

He was on a bus, got off at a tube station, then got straight back on the bus and the police defence claimed in court that this was an anti surveillance technique. However the fact emerged that the first tube station was closed so it was completely normal to jump back on the bus to get to the next tube station.

My first opinion on this case, based on misinformation, was that he had behaved foolishly. Then it came to light that he hadn't done any such thing but I still thought that the police had acted correctly..

Now with the evidence emerging from the inquest I am starting to think that it was the police who acted foolishly and that they have tried to cover up their errors.

You seemed well informed in this case blondini, whereas most punters aren't this well informed..but the point remains.... if the police have a hunch, and their actions will protect the lives of 15 people, then doesn't the removal of one individual be justified? I apolgise again for being close to the de Menezes case.. i don't suggest for one minute that J C D Menezes was guilty of any crime.

yer right fella but when i go through an airport and i hear" hit the deck"

im already chewing ashfalt