Can we trust the police?

I don't think we've heard from anyone yet who says they had good reason to believe it.

IIRC the men on the spot were told what to do by someone with no evidence.
 
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What i am saying is that the the police men who shot the man on the train shot him because they believed him to be threat to innocent people on the train, as it turned out they were wrong in that belief, it was the same in Gibralter they were acting on information received
 
"let's not do the menenezzezz thing here.... but put yourself in the shoes of a gun cop in terrorist ridden London and a suspects runs off when you approach... and heads towards the tube... innocent, yes... but was there potential? probably ! "

Just a correction.

No running off at anytime. He walked in the station, picked up a Metro, went down the escalator, boarded train, sat down, then was confronted by two mens with guns. If we believe the witnessess in court, no warning was given they were armed police.

Before the trial I was 100% in favour of the cops. If someone shouts armed police and runs, then tough, your dead.

But, as evidence, cctv footage shows, this was not the case, and as such, think the police are 100% guilty, be it the commander or the actual officer who pulled the trigger.

regardless of what you have or havent done

if plod point a gun at you you drop END OF

ive been there and i aint taking sides

TBF all he had to do was stop

yeah the plod where hyped up but in the same vein a lot of people where already dead

i reiterate my point

he didnt stop he got shot

i will however add i dont like the way it was done

but i wasnt there at the time

so TBF i dont know

but if the law acted out of order they all of those involved should be in the dock to answer

they forget they uphold the law
not they ARE the law

this herb threatened to handcuff me :LOL:

afore he shot me

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not that he did either mind tooo big to argue with :LOL:
 
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If the police arrest you then your guilty as charged as police would never lie and a priest is there to help young men "grow up" to be fine "upstanding" citizens




It is far better to have a gun and not need it then need a gun and not have it (b)
 
If the police arrest you then your guilty as charged as police would never lie and a priest is there to help young men "grow up" to be fine "upstanding" citizens




It is far better to have a gun and not need it then need a gun and not have it (b)

oy yow ive been to new jersey

you have a point ;)
 
If the police arrest you then your guilty as charged as police would never lie

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No they don't lie they just make a case water tight by fabrication and manipulating the truth.

If they did what they were suppose to then their areas statistics would show a negative %. Cant have that can we. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

The amount of minor offences that the police thrive on is pathetic. I hate to think how many more they are concocting.
Like the time they arrested my son for anti social behavior for jumping over a garden wall, our wall :evil: He was charged for it, but our solicitor made a mockery of the officer and case was dismissed. He took it personally and now keeps threatening to get me back. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Years ago people of all ages respected the police. These days that respect is diminishing at an alarming rate. They police have only themselves to blame.
Respect works both ways, unfortunately someones forgotten to tell some officers.

Mind you at least in North Wales we have a chief inspector that is fully qualified for his role.

He has a degree in Zoology, which makes him an ideal person to be in charge of pigs. :LOL:
 
And of course if officialdom tells us it happened that way then we must believe that was exactly how it happened, after all they wouldn't lie to us now would they?
 
The amount of minor offences that the police thrive on is pathetic. I hate to think how many more they are concocting.
Like the time they arrested my son for anti social behavior for jumping over a garden wall, our wall :evil: He was charged for it, but our solicitor made a mockery of the officer and case was dismissed. He took it personally and now keeps threatening to get me back. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Years ago people of all ages respected the police. These days that respect is diminishing at an alarming rate. They police have only themselves to blame.
Respect works both ways, unfortunately someones forgotten to tell some officers.

Very true. The police are set "targets" to meet. How you can set a target when a officer can have to deal with anything from a lost kid to a plane crash I don't know. But the targets still have to be met, over and above quality of service. I wonder if every time someone reports a real crime, the police run out and catch ten motorists to counterbalance the statistics?

The only industry targets come close to working is sales- and evan then many a salesman has lost a sale through being too pushy - to the question "can we trust the police" I'd ask "would you trust a salesman?"
 
well I'd say its obvious from some of the responses that some folk are completely anti police, and no matter what they do they will be wrong.
The police have a very difficult job to do whilst undermanned and so little respect in the country I'm surprised anybody would join the force.
Shame people can't see the good they do and give praise now and again
 
Shame people can't see the good they do and give praise now and again

I don't think anyone will disagree that there are some good done by a few decent officers. Unfortunately the good points are heavily out weighted by incompetence, petty mindedness, vindictiveness, lies and corruption.
Statistics does not prevent crime, and sure does not clear up the more serious offences.

There are far to many using the uniform as a power symbol.
Without the protective clothing and an uniform half these idiots would not survive in any other career.
One day we might have a police force that the public support, but then again pigs might fly.
 
On the whole...80% of the time id say they do the right thing..but until they sort out the other 20 they will never have full public support becasue of the amount of damage they do when they get it wrong.

When they get it wrong they get it really wrong...like shoointg people who have done nothing.

As for trusting them, until all the police officers are replaced by robots who dont have 'emotion' programmed into their hard drives then no way never will I trust them, any of them Not saying that they are all corrupt most are straight..but id rather be on my guard and play it on the safe side first in case I come across the 'wrongun'.

Two down here..well known in the area crashed into a mate on a junction, their fault..witnesses to prove it..he not only proved their guilt, but also the fact they lied through their teeth to try and get out of it..they are human at the end of the day, it could have led to repercussions in their jobs.

Cant say too much on here because of 'eyes'...but some down this way are earning themselves a bit of a name for the wrong reasons..

I wont grass them unless the way they go about their job affects me...adnd if it does I'll happily help set them on their way the the 'early retirement scheme' with a phone call to their Sargeant
 
The reason that the police were given more respect in past times than they get today, is because they could be complete barstewards, and get away with it. They could be tough on the hoolies, and get things sorted. These days, red tape, paperwork and not being allowed to 'kick some ass' means that they are powerless to act in many situations. Even when they do get it right the courts usually let the side down.

In other countries, people do what they are told by the cops, and are often slightly apprehensive when they are around.

Over here the 'plastic bobbies' have helped to erode credibility in 'the law'
I see a lot of these 'on the beat' style tv shows and the street kids are just taking the P out of the coppers. That kid should've received a crack round the head or some pepper in the face the second he started acting up.

They also dress a bit silly for crimefighting purposes. Shirt and tie and funny shaped hats, worn with sensible shoes.
 
If ever there was a candidate for being thrown down the stairs at the cop shop, that little sh1t is it. His mates should be bouncing down after him.
 
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