Car break-ins

[Deleted member 18243]

You are going to need to build dozens of new prisons to accommodate all these extra long term prisoners,
which we all know is never going to happen. Also if you plan on banging petty twoca's away for life willy nilly be prepared for the crimimals to start arming themselves and using deadly force to evade capture. It wouldn't end well!

You need to try to takle the cause of this seemingly increasing anti-social behaviour. Which is poverty and disillusion. Do you think brexit has helped?

All nonsense! I can't be bothered explaining why because I've done so already. Read my old posts if you can be bothered. In two nutshells: 1) prisons do not need to cost a lot and 2) there is a fitting punishment for every criminal, you just have to think outside of the liberal box.

 

[Lazzy]

All nonsense! I can't be bothered explaining why because I've done so already. Read my old posts if you can be bothered. In two nutshells: 1) prisons do not need to cost a lot and 2) there is a fitting punishment for every criminal, you just have to think outside of the liberal box.

Youre talking hogwash again andy, go back to reading your mein kampf novel.

toodle pip.

 

[Bodd]

cobra being a convertible/ open top of course

I used to open the top with my teeth as a party trick. Then I'd karate chop the poppadoms.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

The severity of the punishment for a criminal should increase with each offence; e.g. first offence three months prison, second offence six months, third offence twelve months and so on. This should be applied even where an offence is less serious than the previous one. There should be no "halving" of sentences. This way, criminals will either give up the life of crime or be locked up away from the public for a good amount of time thus keeping the country protected and reducing the police's workload.

The car thieves mentioned in this thread will have committed several offences in the past, and will most likely have been arrested for various crimes - and probably let off. With the proper sentencing described above they would not have been at large.

How big a tax increase are you prepared to pay to enable all these new prisons to be built?

 

[Captain Nemesis]

They were younger and faster than me so escaped.

Youre probably lucky they did.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

Some are banned for no obvious reason (nitrogen oxide).

Which one(s)?

 

[Captain Nemesis]

All the illegal drugs are dangerous;

So are many legal ones.

I don't differentiate between "soft and hard" drugs.

Do you think thats an intelligent position, likely to result in a reduction of harms caused by drug use?

The harm that fentanyl does is no different to that of cannabis, heroin, cocaine etc.

Utter nonsense.

The fact that it's an explosive substance

Which one(s)?

Alcohol is very dangerous when taken to excess and has caused violence, poverty, broken families etc., but its use is widespread and mostly harmless; the damage it causes is proportionately small. Although alcohol is a drug like the others most people do not drink it to become intoxicated, whereas cannabis, cocaine and the rest are only taken for intoxication. In this country, as in most, we have enjoyed alcoholic drinks for centuries and they are part of life. I'd hate to think what the world would be like if, say, cocaine were the most used drug, or cannabis or heroin. Would the harm caused be as proportionately small as that of alcohol?

Alcohol is more dangerous than heroin.

I haven't a clue what you're on about here!

Almost right.

 

[Ihavenojob]

Do you think a material should be banned if it causes the deaths of millions of its users?

Do you think a material should be banned if it is a major contributor to crime, disorder and vioence?

Do you think a material should be banned if it causes lifelong addiction, damages the health of users and bystanders, and is harder to escape than heroin?

Do you think a material should be banned if it causes its users to sit around giggling and talking nonsense?

Do you think a material should be banned if the people and businesses profiting from addiction, ill health and death, donate millions to the ruling political party?

Do you think a material should be banned if the act of banning it causes vast amounts of money to flow into unregulated supply, enriching organised crime and fostering a culture of lawbreaking and tax evasion?

Yes to all if they are illegal, so why do YOU think they are not good reasons for them to be illegal ?

 

[johnny2007]

Alcohol is more dangerous than heroin.

Would you be more upset if you found your teenage kids drinking a can of beer or injecting heroin?

 

[JohnD]

Yes to all if they are illegal

ah, so you base your position, not on any logical thought, but purely on whatever the law happens to be at the time.

So when you go to a country where dope is permitted but alcohol is banned, you stoutly maintain that flogging is the correct punishment for drinking or selling alcohol.

If a future government banned whisky and cigarettes, you would agree that they were right.

That's useful to know.

 

[JohnD]

Yes to all if they are illegal, so why do YOU think they are not good reasons for them to be illegal ?

But tobacco and alcohol are not illegal.

...causes the deaths of millions of its users?
...major contributor to crime, disorder and violence?
... causes lifelong addiction, damages the health of users and bystanders, and is harder to escape than heroin?

 

[Ihavenojob]

But tobacco and alcohol are not illegal.

I know, we are talking about illegal drugs, as this is what andy11 said

Illegal drugs are illegal for good reasons.

and you said

No they aren't.

but purely on whatever the law happens to be at the time.

the law is the law, but in saying this

So when you go to a country where dope is permitted but alcohol is banned, you stoutly maintain that flogging is the correct punishment for drinking or selling alcohol.

it sounds like you think laws are not to be obeyed.

 

[IT Minion]

All the illegal drugs are dangerous; I don't differentiate between "soft and hard" drugs.

That you don't see a difference between Fentanyl and Nitrous oxide should be enough to convince you and others that you don't know what you're talking about.

Is this illegal? I don't know. The fact that it's an explosive substance is one reason why you wouldn't want intoxicated people in possession of it.

It's so dangerous it's given to pregnant women during labour.

I'd hate to think what the world would be like if, say, cocaine were the most used drug, or cannabis or heroin. Would the harm caused be as proportionately small as that of alcohol?

Cannabis would probably have lower harm. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...you-and-there-appears-be-winner-a8056186.html

 

[Ihavenojob]

Cannabis would probably have lower harm.

It's called dope for a reason.

 

[IT Minion]

It's called dope for a reason.

Yes, it originates from the Dutch word for Gravy and it was originally for opium products.

https://kuow.org/stories/gravy-drugs-ben-zimmer-origin-dope/

There is so much irony here I'm worried China is going to try and open a trade agreement with the owners of DIYNot for mining concessions