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And the opium made people dopey, same as cannabis, though now not so much dopey as violent.
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You've got cause and effect the wrong way around. The word dopey is because they've used dope.
I have not said that.
But I don't share your opinion that the law should permit products that
...causes the deaths of millions of its users
...major contributor to crime, disorder and violence
... causes lifelong addiction, damages the health of users and bystanders, and is harder to escape than heroin
while banning products that are less harmful.
I would be fascinated to read an analysis on the damage to wider society caused by people having a nap and eating junk food whilst watching stupid TV programs.
Perhaps some obesity but apparently cannabis causes less of that than alcohol.
It isn't a zero risk drug, but given no one can actually prove serious harm even after 50 years of the war on drugs then that is a good sign it's not that dangerous. Something really dangerous you can identify quickly and easily, something subtley dangerous you need decades and top flight science to detect. We could identify a fatal clotting issue that kills one in a million people who have a vaccine in a matter of months, but we can't identify a reliable trend in Cannabis use for psychosis in 50 years. That should give you an idea how weak the link is, and how poor the science we've been able to do to confirm or deny the link is.
I think we were right to restrict opium use.in the late 1800s, despite the economic impact. It was nearly as dangerous as Gin.
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Chicken and egg, same result, smoking dope can cause mental issues .
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Guns? Knives ? Cars?
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Yes. Would you agree it was good to ban lead from petrol ?
You believe it does, but do you know for sure and how much does it? Do you know it as confidently as you thought drugs were called dope because they made you dopey? (rather than 'Dopey' meaning that you're using drugs which already had the nickname of dope)
People think they know things about drugs but a lot of the things they know aren't quite correct or are flat out wrong. It's not as if you've studied them in detail as part of your O levels.
Cannabis does have some short term impact on memory, similar to alcohol, but I believe not as bad as heavy alcohol use. It might have a connection to psychosis but how much of one do you think it has?
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...causes the deaths of millions of its users
...major contributor to crime, disorder and violence
... causes lifelong addiction, damages the health of users and bystanders, and is harder to escape than heroin
Tobacco and Alcohol.
Are not banned by law
But less harmful products are.
It makes no sense.
...major contributor to crime, disorder and violence
... causes lifelong addiction, damages the health of users and bystanders, and is harder to escape than heroin
Tobacco and Alcohol.
Are not banned by law
But less harmful products are.
It makes no sense.
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Some laws don't, but mainly, you can't flout them without consequences. Many people smoke pot, which is illegal. If it becomes so rife that it is pointless to enforce, should it be legalised ? Many people speed or use a phone when driving, or drive while under the influence, if enough people committed these offences, should these offences be treated the same as smoking pot and be legalised ? If they could find a way to tax illegal drugs, they then would become legal.
you mean selling them in regulated licenced premises, like tobacco and alcohol?
That would cut the ground from under the gangsters feet.
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The government could then employ the gangsters. They would fit in quite well.
If the general public want something to be legal then of course it should be legal. We're a democracy. It is already so rife it is pointless to enforce, so say the police.
https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAs...oQFnoECAMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3Qljj7uUXPXE9VeJkTbOJ-
Do the people who speed think they should be allowed to? They might think that a particular road should have a higher speed limit but I doubt many would think there shouldn't be any speed limits.
It's not a good comparison. But perhaps by treating it like tabacco then we could get to a better place.
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Why not ? The speed limits are out dated, the government have relaxed MOT testing, a lot of the onus is now put on the driver. Do you think more people speed than smoke pot ? I do, so as a democracy we should be able to change the law. If smoking pot/dope/weed or whatever it is called at the time, is made legal, then I would have no qualms about it, people have the information, same as smoking,drinking, eating fatty foods or sugar, taking it up the wrong un with no protection , if they want to take the risk, then it is up to them.
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Often the same types though - out of work people nick the tools, sell them at boot fairs to out of work people starting out on mybuilder.
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