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China’s public charger infrastructure network is the largest in the world, with over 1 million chargers—51% of the global total – and a total power capacity of 56 gigawatts as of 2022. Public chargers in China are disproportionately concentrated in developed cities, however, with the top 15 cities accounting for 57% of the country’s total public charger stock.
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I saw a bulletin on TRTworld yesterday with a chap telling of his experience driving an ev in China; as the battery began to run out the driver selected the nearest charging point - one among dozens - drove in to the fully automated station where a gaggle of robots lifted the depleted battery out of the car and fitted a fresh unit within five minutes: no fuss. How far ahead of the Western world are they in regard to the future of driving?
 
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China’s public charger infrastructure network is the largest in the world, with over 1 million chargers—51% of the global total – and a total power capacity of 56 gigawatts as of 2022. Public chargers in China are disproportionately concentrated in developed cities, however, with the top 15 cities accounting for 57% of the country’s total public charger stock.
The ICCT.org

I saw a bulletin on TRTworld yesterday with a chap telling of his experience driving an ev in China; as the battery began to run out the driver selected the nearest charging point - one among dozens - drove in to the fully automated station where a gaggle of robots lifted the depleted battery out of the car and fitted a fresh unit within five minutes: no fuss. How far ahead of the Western world are they in regard to the future of driving?
I recall reading about a similar set-up in Norway, Chinese owners I think, except this was a few years ago & there were staff to carry out the task rather than automation.
 
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China’s public charger infrastructure network is the largest in the world, with over 1 million chargers—51% of the global total – and a total power capacity of 56 gigawatts as of 2022. Public chargers in China are disproportionately concentrated in developed cities, however, with the top 15 cities accounting for 57% of the country’s total public charger stock.
The ICCT.org

I saw a bulletin on TRTworld yesterday with a chap telling of his experience driving an ev in China; as the battery began to run out the driver selected the nearest charging point - one among dozens - drove in to the fully automated station where a gaggle of robots lifted the depleted battery out of the car and fitted a fresh unit within five minutes: no fuss. How far ahead of the Western world are they in regard to the future of driving?

Yeah, they've stolen a march on us with EV technology in general. They play a long game, the Chinese, whilst British investors are only interested in a fast return. Plus you can see, even on here, there are plenty of change-resistant folk holding us back.

However, I think they've dropped the ball on the whole "battery swap station" concept. Fair play to Nio for taking the risks and trying it - and I wish them well, but I can't see it working, to be honest. Even assuming there's no queue and you can just rock-up at the charging station, it's going to take about 5 minutes. On top off that, you have the time to divert off your route to go to the swap station, and the time to get back on to it again. Sure, in some cases, you might be lucky enough to have one right on your route, but I don't think we can bank on that. So we're already pretty close to the sort of time you'd spend charging on a fast charger anyway.

On top of that, you'd have the cost of that infrastructure - which would ultimately be borne by the end user, who would effectively be leasing the battery as well as paying for the infrastructure. The swap stations would need a prodigious amount of power laid on, if they are to maintain their 5 minute charging times. They'll either need to store a lot of batteries for each model supported, or they're going to have to charge the next one bloody quick!

And of course, swap stations would be manufacturer-specific, so you would need huge numbers of them - a bit like having different petrol stations for Fords, Peugeots, Mercedes, etc!

My gut feeling, therefore, is that plug-in charging is going to win this particular technology race. It's always going to be easier to get the electricity to the car than to get the car to the swap station, and EV fast-charging times are coming down all the time.

The main advantage, I think, would be watching the absolute apoplexy showfrom NutJob, if they got planning permission to build a tin hut full of lovely lithium ion batteries next door to his house... ;)
 
It's been noted that the kind of charging station shown in the video may work better for buses or trucks who need to run all day to a schedule, rather than private vehicles that don't require such a quick turnaround...although people who can afford it would be tempted by a five minute wait, which isn't that long when you think how similar it is to a petrol station visit.
China has more room for this kind of expansion and doesn't have to make such a big shift in terms of infrastructure as the UK, EU and particularly the US, so it's already ahead of the curve, leaving Western nations in the unusual position of playing catch up with them. Trump's trade war may have unforseen consequences for the ev market, as Mr. Muskrat is finding out.
 
It's been noted that the kind of charging station shown in the video may work better for buses or trucks who need to run all day to a schedule, rather than private vehicles that don't require such a quick turnaround...although people who can afford it would be tempted by a five minute wait, which isn't that long when you think how similar it is to a petrol station visit.
China has more room for this kind of expansion and doesn't have to make such a big shift in terms of infrastructure as the UK, EU and particularly the US, so it's already ahead of the curve, leaving Western nations in the unusual position of playing catch up with them. Trump's trade war may have unforseen consequences for the ev market, as Mr. Muskrat is finding out.

Yes. For anything that has to return to a depot or follows a particular route all the time, this will work very well. Especially commercial vehicles that might be run for double shifts so they can't afford much downtime for charging.
 
Someone's got to keep the Big Oil fat cats in the manner to which they've become accustomed...;)

If and when we're all dependant on electricity, we'll be beholden to Big Electricity. :idea:

As an aside, every time I pass a McDonalds I have to laugh at all the British Gas, Openreach, Royal Mail vans sitting there while the drivers get yet another bonus break. Who's paying for all those wasted hours? Also notice that Amazon seem to be adding more new diesels to their fleet these days. Maybe practicality is Trumping dogma.
 
If and when we're all dependant on electricity, we'll be beholden to Big Electricity. :idea:

...except we won't be! That's what Big Oil hates about EVs. They know that no matter which of the very few huge companies you go to, they've got you by the short & curlies. You ain't gonna make your own petrol...

Electricity, on the other hand, has lots of generators owned by different companies and it's rather easier to make your own, if they start taking the proverbial too much. And let's face it, they've got a pretty good head start on the oil companies! If my electricity prices were to TRIPLE, it would still be half the cost per mile of me going back to diesel...:giggle:

As an aside, every time I pass a McDonalds I have to laugh at all the British Gas, Openreach, Royal Mail vans sitting there while the drivers get yet another bonus break. Who's paying for all those wasted hours?

How can you tell it's a "bonus break" and not an "actual break"?

Also notice that Amazon seem to be adding more new diesels to their fleet these days. Maybe practicality is Trumping dogma.

You sure about that...?;)

 
I sense yet another boring discussion about the pros/cons of EV ownership coming on.

None of which answers the OP's question :rolleyes:
 
I sense yet another boring discussion about the pros/cons of EV ownership coming on.

None of which answers the OP's question :rolleyes:
I didn't ask a question, tbf, just posted about a news story regarding how easy and much more advanced it is to run an ev in China. We're so far behind them it's mad.
 
I didn't ask a question, tbf, just posted about a news story regarding how easy and much more advanced it is to run an ev in China. We're so far behind them it's mad.
Apologies, I seem to have been referring to the wrong post.
Another senior moment :oops:
 
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