Cheering in Parliament after motion to melt firefighters pay freeze...

[SirGalahad]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-firefighters-my-helmet-melted-around-my-head

 

[durhamplumber]

But wait on the market forces means that why are you flogging your nuts off - according to the post above you simply can leave your job and get another one.

If being an officer is so well rewarded then why don't you become an officer yourself?

I have no desire to be a copper.more to life than money... In the same vane..they could change job if not happy!

 

[motorbiking]

I think I may understand where you are going with this. You are arguing STEM degrees should be funded? What about economics, management, business degrees?

What is adding value? Do you have a clear definition or just a notion?

I don't need to create a definition, anything on the official UK shortage Occupation List, would be a good start to qualify https://www.gov.uk/guidance/immigration-rules/immigration-rules-appendix-k-shortage-occupation-list

 

[JohnD]

I can't keep up with your changes of mind. Yesterday it was highly paid people

subjects that will not result in those people getting highly paid jobs

Today it's people willing to do jobs with lots of vacancies.

Are there degrees in Fruit Picking or Care Assistants?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...kers-seasonal-labourers-pickers-a7802616.html

"Farms have been hit with a shortage of the migrant workers that Britain relies on to bring in the fruit and vegetable harvests, according to a series of new reports.

There was a 17% shortfall in May, leaving some farms critically short of pickers, according to a new National Farmers Union (NFU) survey. The decline is blamed on Brexit, with the vote to depart the EU leaving the UK seen as “xenophobic” and “racist” by overseas workers, according to the director of a major agricultural recruitment company"

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ur-shortage-as-migrant-workers-shun-racist-uk

I suppose all those UKIP retired plumbers with dementia will have to make their own tea and wipe their own arses.

"Currently about 84,000 care workers – equivalent to one in 20 of England’s growing care workforce – are from European Economic Area countries. About 90% do not have British citizenship and their future immigration status remains uncertain."

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/sep/21/brexit-care-older-disabled-people-eu-workers-uk

But with nurses and hospital doctors leaving as well, they may not need to worry for long.

 

[JohnD]

can't see fruitpickers on the list.

"Brexit: Leave voter realises his fruit farm empire faces ruin without EU migrant workers
If EU labourers disappear 'I don't have a business. It's as simple as that,' says Harry Hall, whose company farms 1,100 acres"

Bloody moaning Quitters.

 

[securespark]

That is f in hilarious!

 

[motorbiking]

I can't keep up with your changes of mind. Yesterday it was highly paid people.

There are only 6 on that list which aren't. and I think some of those will be on surprisingly high income.

 

[EFLImpudence]

"Brexit: Leave voter realises his fruit farm empire faces ruin without EU migrant workers

...and there's me always slagging off British management as being rubbish.

What a tosspot.

Here's the link:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...r-partnership-bbc-radio-4-today-a7802381.html



On the subject, does anyone remember when strawberries were soft?

 

[Doggit]

Funny, Vince cable said that Wimbelon would suffer a strawberry shortage, because of Brexit, and Wimbeldon officials replied that it was a rubbish story, and fake news.

Interesting slant that the Independant put on it.

"The slump in the value of the pound has seen the value of EU workers’ wages effectively cut by more than 10 per cent" except that the wages they receive over her to live on, are the same as they would normally get; it's only if they want to send an of the money left home, that there would be a fall in it's value.

Everything else was if's and maybeys, and it's possible. nothing concrete at all, but that's the independant for you.

 

[bernardgreen]

Before migrant labour ( migrant not immigrant ) and cheap flights to Spain there were :-

 

[JohnD]

Interesting slant that the Independant put on it.

Let's have a look at the stout Torygraph

"Number of EU nurses coming to UK falls 96 per cent since Brexit vote "

'mmmmmm.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...oming-uk-falls-96-per-cent-since-brexit-vote/

 

[JohnD]

But the Daily Ragmail must have something positive to say, surely?

"Fears of an NHS staffing crisis loom large: EU nurses registering to work in the UK plunges from 1,300 to just 46 in less than a year

• Applications for EU nurses to work in the UK have dropped from 1,304 last July
• New figures, by the Nursing and Midwifery Council, show just 46 applied in April
• The NHS has relied on foreign staff to help plug gaps in nursing rotas for years"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-4596040/EU-nurses-registering-work-UK-plunges.html

 

[JohnD]

Here we are, the ever-hopeful Wail:

"Wimbledon strawberry farmer hopes Brexit deal will allow seasonal EU pickers"

The report said 95% of seasonal fruit pickers in Britain come from the EU. BSF urged the Government to allow labourers from Europe to work in Britain post-Brexit on fixed-term contracts and fill the vacancies it claims British people do not want."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa...es-Brexit-deal-allow-seasonal-EU-pickers.html

Well that sounds pretty positive, eh?

 

[motorbiking]

if you look at pay stats. U.k. nursing jobs have gone from above typical EU rates to below, due to weaker Gbp. Add the research that only 1/3rd of leavers cited brexit related issues as the driver and we can see it's got nothing to do with a fear of loss of citizens rights.

in other words. i'm leaving the UK because i'm worried about not being protected by the ECJ, said no one ever.

 

[JohnD]

due to weaker Gbp.

Gosh, I wonder what could have caused that?

Did something happen, in late June 2016?