Climate: The Movie

[Notch7]

If you'd read the thread, you would know. I even provided you with a link to my previous post to Minion addressing the matter of so called consensus research. To be fair, I don't blame you for overlooking it in amongst all the autistic posting going on. Here...

"Ok, let me spell this out for you since you probably haven't ever worked in research.

Let's say I have a PhD in Psychology. I need to earn a living and I have a decent shot at applying for some grant funding which is related to climate change. Here is my hypothesis:

"Violent crime has increased as a result of climate change"

In my abstract, I might write something along the lines of:

"There is a consensus that CO2 emissions contribute to climate change and that rising CO2 is causing the climate to warm. This research paper explores whether global warming results in an increase in violent crime by considering the rate of such crime recorded in the city of Troy, Ohio between 1950 and 2020..."

Now, any researcher worth his salt will obviously have a section about limitations. Maybe there's no obvious relationship, or maybe there is but other variables need to be explored, etc.

Point is, the consensus estimating researchers will come along with their meta analysis, covering thousands and thousands of research papers which they will never read in any detail at all, do an electronic search of terms and find in my abstract, and probably elsewhere in the document, that I have stated that "rising CO2 is causing the climate to warm." I will be added to the list of "active climate scientists" (because I am studying a climate related topic) and added to the list of those who think CO2 is contributing to climate change.

I, with my poxy BS research paper and my PhD in psychology, having never even considered the causes of climate change itself, and knowing nothing at all about it, am now one of the 97%!

What is laughable is that the consensus estimators are even worse grifters because they are basically producing misleading research about research. Crap on top of crap. A significant proportion of research is total rubbish and a waste of tax payer's money.

So you have to think things through and understand the details. To even mention the 97% consensus is automatically discrediting. It is a con."

I dont think the “97% consensus” narrative is helpful, I don’t see how it proves anything really, it’s been widely used as an argument, but it’s stat that doesn’t actually prove anything.

It is impossible define a single number to represent a range of opinions which have many nuances

Having said that, it’s not really possible to draw the inference you have.

 

[berty3000]

I dont think the “97% consensus” narrative is helpful, I don’t see how it proves anything really, it’s been widely used as an argument, but it’s stat that doesn’t actually prove anything.

It is impossible define a single number to represent a range of opinions which have many nuances

Having said that, it’s not really possible to draw the inference you have.

Please try to maintain this clarity of thinking.

Although I'm not sure what you mean by the last sentence.

 

[Notch7]

Main takeaway from this thread: it obviously isn't a settled matter

In your opinion

Hint: people wouldn't be arguing about it if it was

That’s not evidence it isn’t settled, but nice attempt at a strawman

This thread shows the climate change sceptics have posted endless false arguments, misinformation and myths…..starting with the opening post.

 

[Notch7]

Please try to maintain this clarity of thinking.

Although I'm not sure what you mean by the last sentence.

You said:

“I, with my poxy BS research paper and my PhD in psychology, having never even considered the causes of climate change itself, and knowing nothing at all about it, am now one of the 97%! ”

Is hypothetical, you haven’t provided the evidence that is what has happened.

But it is possible, its pretty impossible to know either way….hence I don’t believe the “97% consensus” adds to the debate

 

[berty3000]

https://c.tenor.com/S_68VptnBrQAAAAC/how-dare-you-greta-thunberg.gif

You said:

“I, with my poxy BS research paper and my PhD in psychology, having never even considered the causes of climate change itself, and knowing nothing at all about it, am now one of the 97%! ”

Is hypothetical, you haven’t provided the evidence that is what has happened.

But it is possible, its pretty impossible to know either way….hence I don’t believe the “97% consensus” adds to the debate

Read the methodologies of the consensus guesstimation studies.

 

[Notch7]

Read the methodologies of the consensus guesstimation studies.

Do you have a link?

 

[fillyboy]

Do you have a link?

https://c.tenor.com/S_68VptnBrQAAAAC/how-dare-you-greta-thunberg.gif

 

[Notch7]

do you get so many space cadets in fancy dress and gluing themselves to roads in favour of it

false argument

Always given a soft touch approach by the mainstream media and police

false argument

Why is there this religious type fervour and shades of mental illness on show

emotive subject

protestors have always been like it

When is a teenaged autist from Sweden used as a propaganda prop

Poster girl

When do billionaires and politicians, like pigs at a trough, fly to conferences in private jets and stay in luxurious, unsustainable hotels in the middle of the desert, contradicting the hypothesis they claim to agree with

That’s not an argument to prove manmade climate change isn’t real

e.g. blaming fires caused by arsonists on climate change

What %?

There are so many correlations with extremist religious thought patterns and the idea of God punishing our sins

No there arent

Do any of the global boiling advocates have any comment on this side of it

Yes.

You haven’t provided any evidence, any data, any facts.

Your entire post is built on emotive arguments and conspiracies

When you can actually argue using science and data….ie like using the peer reviewed scientific studies you wanted from me, at that point I will take you seriously

 

[Notch7]

https://c.tenor.com/S_68VptnBrQAAAAC/how-dare-you-greta-thunberg.gif

So no link then

Thought not

 

[fillyboy]

So no link then

Thought not

No link to what?

 

[berty3000]

https://c.tenor.com/S_68VptnBrQAAAAC/how-dare-you-greta-thunberg.gif

Do you have a link?

You will have to go back earlier in the thread. Several posted.

 

[berty3000]

false argument


false argument


emotive subject

protestors have always been like it


Poster girl

That’s not an argument to prove manmade climate change isn’t real

What %?

No there arent

Yes.

You haven’t provided any evidence, any data, any facts.

Your entire post is built on emotive arguments and conspiracies

When you can actually argue using science and data….ie like using the peer reviewed scientific studies you wanted from me, at that point I will take you seriously

You aren't reading people's posts correctly and are then jumping to conclusions. I didn't say that any of the observable phenomena mentioned mean that man made climate change isn't real, I asked, as an aside, what others make of these things and why the climate emergency hypothesis - uniquely amongst all areas of science - has these strategies and behaviours associated with it.

 

[berty3000]

IPCC's New "Hockey Stick" Temperature Graph - Climate Etc.

The United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) published their latest assessment report (AR6) in 2021. In 2023, the Clintel Foundation published a report which criticizes AR6. Clintel is short for Climate Intelligence, and the Clintel Foundation doesn’t think … Continue...

judithcurry.com

Good read from an expert climatologist. For those who want to skip to the conclusions - basically, IPCC reporting has been making odd data selection choices in what appears to be a desire to contrive an alarming hockey stick temperature graph. The use of normal standardisation methods for treating the data would have shown totally different temperature patterns - actually falling temperatures if anything.

... definitely not settled.

 

[transam]

Go on, it's simple.

Is man affecting climate change, or isn't he ?

It can be as simple as yes or no if you dare answer

yes humans are affecting climate change ??

 

[carmanmemoranda]

yes humans are affecting climate change ??

I agree