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More inaccuracies.

Notch goes mad because somebody way more qualified than him holds different opinions... Notch is more like the one on the left...

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You can hardly cry 'media manipulation' considering the amount of newstime Trump and his MAGA mob recieve - more denial in there than the Aswan dam deals with in a decade. If the woman on the right has published so much, then why don't you find one to convince us she's on to something?
 
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Notch maligns yet another highly qualified climate scientist along with some nutters online
You are using a logical fallacy: argumentum ad verecundiam (argument from authority)

you are claiming that because an expert said something is true then it must be true.

but when the authority is an expert in the topic but their claims are controversial or not unanimous between other experts, or have vested interest driving their view..........they arent an expert.
 
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."
And what does it say about the minds of people who:

1) use a documentary based on myths and misinformation as a basis for debate

2) link to a blog written by an author who is known to run a business whose clients are the oil industry


seriously Berty, please learn how to fact check your sources -that is a fundamental part of research
 
You are using a logical fallacy: argumentum ad verecundiam (argument from authority)

you are claiming that because an expert said something is true then it must be true.

but when the authority is an expert in the topic but their claims are controversial or not unanimous between other experts, or have vested interest driving their view..........they arent an expert.

As ever, you shy away from discussing the actual topic (in this case, the IPCC data) and get bogged down in accusations and slagging people off. Not interesting, very boring. Feel free to offer your own thoughts in response, supported by any credible information as previously invited, or go and spoil a different thread. Nobody is interested in your maligning of scientists.
 
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More inaccuracies.

Notch goes mad because somebody way more qualified than him holds different opinions... Notch is more like the one on the left...

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Once again Berty is found to be basing his arguments not on scientific evidence, date or facts but a meaningless meme -which in itself is misinformation.

Berty expect me to provide peer reviewed studies form experts but himself provides memes



Note: the above meme contains lies

1) Judith Curry gets plenty of media coverage

2) she does says its a hoax -which is false

3) it doesnt mention Georgia institute of technology got a Chevron fund of $12million

4) it doesnt mention Curry has said provable misinformatoin

5) it doesnt mention Curry is widely criticised by many other climate scientists for poor research



back to the drawing board for Berty once more
 
As ever, you shy away from discussing the actual topic (in this case, the IPCC data) and get bogged down in accusations and slagging people off. Not interesting, very boring. Feel free to offer your own thoughts in response, supported by any credible information as previously invited, or go and spoil a different thread. Nobody is interested in your maligning of scientists.
You have not made a single post that contains a single scientific argument or piece of data

you say "shy away from discussing the actual topic" -so where is your discussion on the IPCC data -come on pick something from them and provide the supporting evidence to prove why you thinks its wrong
 
You have not made a single post that contains a single scientific argument or piece of data

you say "shy away from discussing the actual topic" -so where is your discussion on the IPCC data -come on pick something from them and provide the supporting evidence to prove why you thinks its wrong

I've posted a lot, you just haven't read it because you were too busy carpet bombing the thread with your hollow and boring posts. Please stay on topic going forward or start another thread. Thanks.
 
This paper is interesting...

Please feel free to comment on the SUBJECT MATTER (methodological assumptions, data, etc) - NOT what you or others think about the person who wrote it. If you do wish to respond, please reference the material itself and explain your thinking, also refrain from using words like "misinformation" and "lies".

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"...how much warming can we expect in the 21st century? These are serious challenges that scientists must solve to truly assist policymakers. Is today’s climate alarmism founded on real science, or is it simply an extrapolated view based on flawed arguments?

Answering such a question defines the steps that must be taken to address any expected threats associated with possible future climatic changes."

 
I've posted a lot, you just haven't read it because you were too busy carpet bombing the thread with your hollow and boring posts. Please stay on topic going forward or start another thread. Thanks.
you have not posted any scientific evidence

Please stay on topic going forward or start another thread.
you posted "evidence" using a blog by Judith Curry

I responded by showing Curry is funded by fossil fuel industry and is not thus impartial.

and you say that is not "on topic"

what you actually mean is; you want to close down any debate which scrutinises your evidence

it seems like you want to post propaganda and not engage with actual debate
 
This paper is interesting...

Please feel free to comment on the SUBJECT MATTER (methodological assumptions, data, etc) - NOT what you or others think about the person who wrote it. If you do wish to respond, please reference the material itself and explain your thinking, also refrain from using words like "misinformation" and "lies".

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"...how much warming can we expect in the 21st century? These are serious challenges that scientists must solve to truly assist policymakers. Is today’s climate alarmism founded on real science, or is it simply an extrapolated view based on flawed arguments?

Answering such a question defines the steps that must be taken to address any expected threats associated with possible future climatic changes."


If you post misinformation and lies, then those are the words I shall use

by the way, Ive read that article before

here is my response to one of the points she has raised: ATTRIBUTION: she supports a “50-50” attribution (i.e. that trends since the middle of the 20th Century are 50% human-caused, and 50% natural)





The bottom line is that multiple studies indicate with very strong confidence that human activity is the dominant component in the warming of the last 50 to 60 years, and that our best estimates are that pretty much all of the rise is anthropogenic.




attribution.jpg

The probability density function for the fraction of warming attributable to human activity (derived from Fig. 10.5 in IPCC AR5). The bulk of the probability is far to the right of the “50%” line, and the peak is around 110%.


If you are still here, I should be clear that this post is focused on a specific claim Judith Curry has recently blogged about supporting a “50-50” attribution (i.e. that trends since the middle of the 20th Century are 50% human-caused, and 50% natural, a position that would center her pdf at 0.5 in the figure above). She also commented about her puzzlement about why other scientists don’t agree with her. Reading over her arguments in detail, I find very little to recommend them, and perhaps the reasoning for this will be interesting for readers. So, here follows a line-by-line commentary on her recent post. Please excuse the length.

Starting from the top… (note, quotes from Judith Curry’s blog are blockquoted).

Pick one:
a) Warming since 1950 is predominantly (more than 50%) caused by humans.
b) Warming since 1950 is predominantly caused by natural processes.
When faced with a choice between a) and b), I respond: ‘I can’t choose, since i think the most likely split between natural and anthropogenic causes to recent global warming is about 50-50′. Gavin thinks I’m ‘making things up’, so I promised yet another post on this topic.
This is not a good start. The statements that ended up in the IPCC SPMs are descriptions of what was found in the main chapters and in the papers they were assessing, not questions that were independently thought about and then answered. Thus while this dichotomy might represent Judith’s problem right now, it has nothing to do with what IPCC concluded. In addition, in framing this as a binary choice, it gives implicit (but invalid) support to the idea that each choice is equally likely. That this is invalid reasoning should be obvious by simply replacing 50% with any other value and noting that the half/half argument could be made independent of any data.

For background and context, see my previous 4 part series Overconfidence in the IPCC’s detection and attribution.
Framing
The IPCC’s AR5 attribution statement:
It is extremely likely that more than half of the observed increase in global average surface temperature from 1951 to 2010 was caused by the anthropogenic increase in greenhouse gas concentrations and other anthropogenic forcings together. The best estimate of the human induced contribution to warming is similar to the observed warming over this period.
I’ve remarked on the ‘most’ (previous incarnation of ‘more than half’, equivalent in meaning) in my Uncertainty Monster paper:
Further, the attribution statement itself is at best imprecise and at worst ambiguous: what does “most” mean – 51% or 99%?
Whether it is 51% or 99% would seem to make a rather big difference regarding the policy response. It’s time for climate scientists to refine this range.
I am arguing here that the ‘choice’ regarding attribution shouldn’t be binary, and there should not be a break at 50%; rather we should consider the following terciles for the net anthropogenic contribution to warming since 1950:
  • >66%
  • 33-66%
  • <33%
JC note: I removed the bounds at 100% and 0% as per a comment from Bart Verheggen.
Hence 50-50 refers to the tercile 33-66% (as the midpoint)
Here Judith makes the same mistake that I commented on in my 2012 post – assuming that a statement about where the bulk of the pdf lies is a statement about where it’s mean is and that it must be cut off at some value (whether it is 99% or 100%). Neither of those things follow. I will gloss over the completely unnecessary confusion of the meaning of the word ‘most’ (again thoroughly discussed in 2012). I will also not get into policy implications since the question itself is purely a scientific one.


 
This paper is interesting...

Please feel free to comment on the SUBJECT MATTER (methodological assumptions, data, etc) - NOT what you or others think about the person who wrote it. If you do wish to respond, please reference the material itself and explain your thinking, also refrain from using words like "misinformation" and "lies".

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"...how much warming can we expect in the 21st century? These are serious challenges that scientists must solve to truly assist policymakers. Is today’s climate alarmism founded on real science, or is it simply an extrapolated view based on flawed arguments?

Answering such a question defines the steps that must be taken to address any expected threats associated with possible future climatic changes."

from the link (which i assume hasn't been peer reviewed):

Because future climate change is expected to be modest enough that any potential related hazards can be addressed efficiently through effective and low-cost adaptation strategies, the 2.0 °C Paris-agreement warming target for the twenty-first century can likely be met even under the feasible and moderate SSP2-4.5 emission scenario without the need for implementing rapid, extremely expensive, and technologically likely impossible net-zero decarbonization policies.

I posted earlier in regard to paying in 1% of global gdp which will provide funding for radical investment in green tech. but this won't suit fossil fuel companies, will it? And considering NATO is asking member countries to increase military spending the likelihood is cutting investment in green energy to pay for weapons.
 
They are on the thread, why should I go back and get them for you? Lazy ****. You are as bad as Notch.
I'm not asking you to donate a kidney, or eat one of your children.
Show us this peer reviewed evidence of yours please?
 
He can't afford to donate a kidney while he's venting his spleen. :mrgreen:
He posted this thread so he could get excited about ruffling a few feathers. He even said so.

Standard trolling.
 
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