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EFLImpudence said:
Ok. Who decides which perceived differences count and which don't.
For those that don't count; why not?


Ok. So what happens when that someone uses offensive language towards you or harasses you because of who you are, or who they think you are, if you are not who they think you are and you do not have any of these perceived differences?

Or, of course, they just hate you?

So does that not mean that everybody can be subject to 'hate crime' therefore there is no need for the list of perceived differences?


Are you sure?
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It was pointed out that someone was convicted of a hate crime when they perceived someone to be a jew and attacked them and was accused of a hate crime - not difficult to fathom. It depends on the perpetrators intentions and motivations.

Why does someone hate me? First answer that and then you can decide whether it's a hate crime. I suspect you take more umbrage at the term hate crime rather than the definition. You could hate someone for having an affair with your wife but would it be a hate crime if you attacked him? No.
 
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SirGalahad said:
It was pointed out that someone was convicted of a hate crime when they perceived someone to be a jew and attacked them and was accused of a hate crime
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What difference did that make as opposed to being charged with assault (or similar)?
Stiffer sentence? If so, why?

- not difficult to fathom. It depends on the perpetrators intentions and motivations.
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But this is the crux of the thread.
A perceived more serious offence means someone else being attacked is thought to be LESS serious. Why?


Why does someone hate me? First answer that and then you can decide whether it's a hate crime. I suspect you take more umbrage at the term hate crime rather than the definition. You could hate someone for having an affair with your wife but would it be a hate crime if you attacked him? No.
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Why not?


If you accept the thinking then it may seem understandable and reasonable but actually it is nonsense.
As motorbiking has pointed out, such things are considered when sentencing any crime.
 
Well, there obviously are such things because you have just described what you have been told they are.
We could have a class of 'love crimes', 'desperation crimes', 'greed crimes' or anything else if you want.

However, are there any such 'hate crimes' which are not crimes in their own right, which do not render the term superfluous?

I do not want to have another fourteen page discussion with you writing the same posts as Sodthis wrote so please read the first post and let me know which Chief Constable you agree with and that will suffice.
 
I am ambivalent towards the CC's and their views or opinions.

Hate crimes however, are real and occur. It's your problem EFLI that YOU don't get it.
 
You already told him not to bother explaining, just to give you one of two names and then tell him off for not explaining.

You do know you can't bully anyone into changing their mind over their thoughts on hate crime yeah?
 
Brigadier said:
Were the Rochdale girls subject to sexual assault, or "hate" sexual assault?........
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It's an interesting question. Were they targeted because they were white? Some of the girls seem to think as such. So....
 
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