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"No excavation was carried out and the ground was not disturbed, which would be a violation of Jewish law and tradition, banning the exhumation of the dead."
 
FFS lock this waste of time thread and let`s get a immigrant one going :mrgreen: :eek:
 
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Hundreds of thousands of Jews went to Treblinka, and few left. There is plenty of evidence for this. Many bones have been found, and even though they tried to burn the remains, they were unable to completely hide the evidence.
They also discovered human remains as they dug into the ground, and on the surface "large quantities of ashes mixed with sand, among which are numerous human bones".

Despite this, in a later statement they said they had discovered no mass graves.

The existence of mass graves was known about from witness testimony, but the failure to provide persuasive physical evidence led some to question whether it could really be true that hundreds of thousands of Jews were killed here.

Although they lasted only a few days, those post-war investigations remained the most complete studies of the camp until I began my work at Treblinka in 2010.

This revealed the existence of a number of pits across the site.

Some may be the result of post-war looting, prompted by myths of buried Jewish gold, but several larger pits were recorded in areas suggested by witnesses as the locations of mass graves and cremation sites.

One is 26m long, 17m wide and at least four metres deep, with a ramp at the west end and a vertical edge to the east.

Another five pits of varying sizes and also at least this deep are located nearby. Given their size and location, there is a strong case for arguing that they represent burial areas.

My research has been designed to respect both the historical and scientific potential of the site as well as its religious and commemorative significance....


....Until relatively recently the technology has not been available to investigate the sites of the Holocaust in such a way.

Aerial photography from the 1940s can now be supplemented with satellite imagery, GPS and mapping software.

A range of geophysical surveying tools also exists, including ground penetrating radar, resistance survey and electrical imaging.

However, no geophysical methods will reveal conclusively what is below the soil - they do not detect human remains.

What each method does is to highlight contrasts between the physical properties of the soil and features within it, such as buried remains or ground disturbance.

Conclusions can then be drawn about the nature of these features by comparing historical and archaeological data, and drawing on knowledge about construction, demolition and burial processes.

As well as the pits, the survey has located features that appear to be structural, and two of these are likely to be the remains of the gas chambers.

According to witnesses, these were the only structures in the death camp made of brick.

Unlike at Auschwitz, there were no purpose-built crematoria at Treblinka.

The decision to burn the bodies of victims was made only after the camp had been operating for several months. The order to exhume and cremate those already buried came in 1943, after the German army had discovered the bodies of Polish officers massacred by the Soviets at Katyn three years earlier - demonstrating to the German leadership the importance of covering up its own crimes.

Witness reports indicate that the bodies were burned on improvised pyres made of railway lines and wood, and the ashes were often reburied in the same graves the bodies had been taken from.

But recent work in forensic cremation demonstrates that total eradication of bone requires extremely high temperatures. In most crematoria today, bones remain intact and have to be ground down to produce ash.

At Treblinka it is clear that the ash contains many bones. Bone fragments can still be seen on the surface of the ground, especially after rain.

Considerable evidence also exists to suggest that not all of the bodies were exhumed and cremated. Photographs show bodies littering the landscape as late as the early 1960s.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16657363

Sturdy Colls and her team used new technology – ground-penetrating radar, sending pulses into the earth which are reflected from buried remains. She believes she has now located the pits – some of them vast.

One does not need too much of an imagination to visualise the scenes of utter horror which must have been repeated on a daily basis at the camp. But just in case, Charles used the testimony of survivors, including Kalman Taigman, who remembered arriving at the camp and being hit on the head as he was being separated from his mother, and never seeing her again.

The memoirs of another survivor, Chil Rajchman, relate how the embers from the ovens settled over a pit containing some 250,000 bodies and set the whole area alight – the rotting corpses of a quarter of a million Jews fuelling a grotesque bonfire.

The deniers will be able to go over and examine the evidence for themselves now. One presumes that very few will make the trip.
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http://www.thejc.com/arts/arts-features/62551/radio-review-the-hidden-graves-holocaust

How does it feel to be so wrong?
 
Threads like this show the true colours of people like Joe-90, so they are useful.
 
Yes they are useful. 800,000 went there. 5% (40,000) died in transit. Another 10,000 from illness or shot by guards.

So if 50,000 were cremated - that is in line with the evidence.

Now tell me how they burned 800,000.
 
Joe you are wrong in the head.

No surprise after all the Polish hating rant you spout, oh wait, most were Polish Jews :rolleyes:

You sick Fooker!
 
What I'm talking about is gross exaggeration. For fifty years a plaque outside Auschwitz said that 4 million died there. The new official plaque says 1.5 million.

Someone is wrong in the head to get the numbers so wrong eh?
 
joe-90 said:
Yes they are useful. 800,000 went there. 5% (40,000) died in transit. Another 10,000 from illness or shot by guards.

So if 50,000 were cremated - that is in line with the evidence.

Now tell me how they burned 800,000.
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All of this is easy to find.
During this time, approximately 870,000 men, women and children were killed at Treblinka.[5] This figure includes more than 800,000 Jews, as well as an undetermined number of Romani people.[6]
The camp, which was operated by the SS and Eastern European Trawnikis, consisted of Treblinka I and II. The first camp was a forced-labour center. Inmates worked in either the nearby gravel pit or irrigation area. Between June 1941 and July 23, 1944, more than half of its 20,000 inmates died from execution, exhaustion, or mistreatment.

Treblinka II was designed as a death factory. The small number who were not killed immediately became Sonderkommandos.[7] These slave labor groups were forced to bury the victims' bodies in mass graves. Later corpses were burned on massive open-air pyres.
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The second section of Treblinka II (lower camp) was the receiving area where the railroad extended from the Treblinka station into the camp. There were two barracks near the tracks that were used to store the belongings of prisoners; one was disguised to look like a railway station, complete with a wooden clock.[14] There were two other buildings about 100 metres (328 feet) from the track. All of the buildings were used to contain the clothing and belongings of the prisoners. One was used as an undressing room for the women, who were also shorn of all of their hair. There was a cashier's office, which collected money and jewellery for "safekeeping". There was also an "infirmary", where the sick, old, wounded, and already dead were taken. It was a small barracks, painted white with a red cross on it. There, the prisoners were led to the edge of a ditch where bodies were continuously burning. They had to strip naked and then sit in the edge of the pit before they were shot in the back of the head. Then they fell in the ditch and burned.

The third section of Treblinka II, the upper camp or death camp, was on a small hill. From the lower camp there was an uphill path, cynically called Himmelstraße ("the Road to Heaven") by the SS, which was lined with barbed wire fences — der Schlauch ("the tube") — and which led directly into the gas chambers. Behind this building there was a large pit, 1 metre wide by 20 metres long, inside which fires burned. Rails were laid across the pit and the bodies of gassed victims were placed on the rails to burn. There was also a barracks for the prisoners who operated the upper camp.

[edit] Organization of the camp
Sketch plan of Treblinka extermination camp, made by commandant Franz StanglThe camp was operated by 20–25 SS overseers (Germans and Austrians) and 80–120 guards. The historical records show that the Treblinka camp guards were of varied ethnic groups and nationalities, comprising not only Germans (Volksdeutsche)[15][16] but also a number of Russians, Ukrainians, Tatars, Moldovans, Latvians, and representatives of Soviet Central Asia (including a number of collaborating Soviet prisoners of war). Among them served former Red Army soldiers Ivan Marchenko and Nikolay Shaleyev.[17]

The majority of the camp work was performed on a forced basis by 700–800 Jewish prisoners, organised into specialised squads (Sonderkommandos). The blue squad was responsible for unloading the train, carrying the luggage and cleaning the wagons. The red squad had the task of undressing the passengers and taking their clothes to the storage areas. The Geldjuden ("money Jews") were in charge of handling the money, gold, stocks, and jewellery. They were forced to search the prisoners just before they went into the gas chamber. Another, the dentist, would open the mouths of the dead and pull out gold teeth. Another group, dubbed the Totenjuden ("the Jews of death"), lived in Treblinka II and were forced to carry the dead from the gas chamber to the furnaces, sift through the ashes of the dead, grind up recognisable parts, and bury the ashes in pits.[18] Yet another group took care of the upkeep of the camp. Lastly, the camouflage Kommando went every day into the forest and gathered branches to camouflage the camp and the "funnel" by weaving branches in the barbed wires.[19] The work squads prisoners were continuously whipped and beaten by the guards and were often killed. New workers (usually the most healthy people) were selected from the daily arrivals and pressed into the commandos.

There was a bruise rule: if a prisoner had been bruised on the face, he would be shot that evening at roll call, or the next morning if the bruise first began to show then.[citation needed] Many prisoners, in utter despair at the horrible deaths of their families and unwilling to go on living, committed suicide by hanging themselves in the sleeping barracks with their belts.[20] Normally, the work crews were almost entirely replaced every 3–5 days, with the members of the old crew being sent to their deaths. 90% of the inmates sent to Treblinka died within the first 2 hours of arriving.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treblinka_extermination_camp
 
I'm asking you how they burned 800,000 bodies. Don't try and dodge the issue. It's all about logistics.
 
joe-90 said:
I'm asking you how they burned 800,000 bodies. Don't try and dodge the issue. It's all about logistics.
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The numbers are in the link (wiki)

If you can't work it out, there is little hope for you.

How much evidence do you want? (or want to ignore).
 
I'm asking you how they burned 800,000 bodies. What fuel did they use and where did they get it from?

Most of the body is water that doesn't burn, and bone which doesn't burn.

So where did the fuel come from to burn that lot?
 
So what happened to the millions of Jewish people that went missing during this period Joe, alien abduction?

Time to give it a rest old man....
 
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