Condensing boiler exemption

[roguetrader]

The building owner deciding they don't really like them would not be enough to get exemption. There used to be a standard form to complete.

 

[JohnHarrison]

I had a really good case for getting an exemption a few years back. Unfortunately what stopped me was that I couldn't get hold of a non condensing boiler. Don't know of any manufacturer producing one. Why would they?

I did a google and found that Vokera do one. Probably others but they never showed up on Google.

The building owner deciding they don't really like them would not be enough to get exemption. There used to be a standard form to complete.

He doesn't want a plume pipe on the ceiling of the landing. That is that. So an exemption or go all electric.

 

[denso13]

Page 69 onwards http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/BR_PDF_PTL_DOMHEAT.pdf. As has been said though, you won't get an exception just because someone doesn't like the look of a flue.

 

[JohnHarrison]

Page 69 onwards http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/BR_PDF_PTL_DOMHEAT.pdf. As has been said though, you won't get an exception just because someone doesn't like the look of a flue.

Thank you. On page 69 the flow chart clearly states a non-condensing boiler can be fitted.

It is not that he does not like the look of the extension plume flue pipe, he will not allow one to be fitted - full stop. He will not have a plume on the landing or a pipe on the ceiling.

 

[Corgigrouch]

In your first post you said that the building owner MAY not permit the fitting of a condensing boiler......Now you say that he WILL not allow it... Which is it? A condensing boiler can be fitted... The owners objections do not change the fact that one can be fitted so there can be no exemption....Looks like you're gonna have a cold Winter..

How does the existing boiler discharge its products of combustion? where does the flue run?

 

[JohnHarrison]

In your first post you said that the building owner MAY not permit the fitting of a condensing boiler......Now you say that he WILL not allow it... Which is it? A condensing boiler can be fitted... The owners objections do not change the fact that one can be fitted so there can be no exemption....Looks like you're gonna have a cold Winter..

How does the existing boiler discharge its products of combustion? where does the flue run?

I rang up after posting to confirm. They will not have ugly pipes on the landing, that is understandable. The existing boiler discharges onto the landing at high level. A plume would be a nuisance. It is the freeholder's building and he will not have a plume or a big pipe fitted no mater what I think or want to do.

A condensing boiler cannot be fitted in my flat because of circumstance out of my control. The flow chart on page 69 of the document denso13 posted, http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/BR_PDF_PTL_DOMHEAT.pdf , clears that up. I think denso13 missed the chart. A non-condensing boiler can be fitted. It is very clear in the flow chart. Exemptions are given even if the cost of fitting a condensing boiler are high.

OK it is determined that a non-condensing boiler can be fitted and I have identified the Vokera combi, via Google, as a non-condensing boiler on sale, does anyone know of any other non-condensing boiler models?

 

[JohnHarrison]

http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/BR_PDF_PTL_DOMHEAT.pdf
The document is dated 2008.

It is interesting on page 71. A boiler cannot be fitted in a living or dining room, or even a flue extension in these rooms. I would have though a bedroom would be precluded because of noise and the potential of poisonous fumes escaping killing people in bed. A vertical flue pipe cannot be on the front of a building.

Rejecting a condensing boiler on economic grounds, I would give an example of ripping a house to pieces to get a condensate drain pipe in.

 

[JohnHarrison]

The flue exits onto a common open landing. A plume there would be a problem.

Is that your only external wall?

Otherwise the plume on the landing has to be tolerated unless a flue extension kit can be used.

Thanks OwainDIYe. The diagram is similar to my situation. The freeholder will not have a plume, which can leave a damp patch as well as be a nuisance, or have such an ugly pipe on the landing. That is his choice as it is his building. I fall into exemption.

 

[roguetrader]

Someone's personal choice does not give grounds for exemption. Its a law rather than someones personal foley.
Apply at your peril, if anyone comes out, you'll wish you hadn't done it.
If it was me.... I'd just fit one and not say a word.

 

[JohnHarrison]

Someone's personal choice does not give grounds for exemption. Its a law rather than someones personal foley.
Apply at your peril, if anyone comes out, you'll wish you hadn't done it.
If it was me.... I'd just fit one and not say a word.

There is no personal choice on my part. I cannot have a plume or a pipe in the common landing - FULL STOP. I am prevented from doing that. It is NOT my property to run a pipe in. If I tried to fit an extension flue pipe the freeholder would come and stop it, and I do not blame him as they look awful.

The lease states we need permission to penetrate walls or replace parts that are already penetrating common walls. That means if I replace a boiler and its flue I have to notify the freeholder. If I replace a boiler and use the same flue then I do not. Fitting in a condensing boiler on the side without notifying the freeholder may end up in a court case, which I will loose. This is a clear exemption case reading the document. Thanks again to denso13 for posting it.

 

[Dan Robinson]

Does your lease agreement give you permission to ignore building regs?
Does it give your landlord?


No.


Aesthetic preferences are not a factor for either of you.

Unless the building is listed or in a conservation area.

 

[JohnHarrison]

Does your lease agreement give you permission to ignore building regs?
Does it give your landlord?

No.

Aesthetic preferences are not a factor for either of you.

Unless the building is listed or in a conservation area.

You are right, I cannot ignore building regs on anything inside my flat where I have control. The freeholder cannot ignore building regs on the parts he owns. He does not own my flat and I do not own his landing. I only have the right to walk down the landing, no more. What he does with his landing is his business, and I have no right to do anything to his landing, no more than I can run pipes or cables through next door's flat.

If the freeholder does not want a plume or pipe on his property he does not need to have one. No one can force him to have one, no more than he can run pipes through your house or flat.

 

[Dan Robinson]

You might want to ACTUALLY check with your local council. Rather than trying to interpret things yourself.

I have yet to install an SE boiler since the regulations were changed, regardless of building type or covenant.


You are not special, neither is your landlord.


Would be a tad annoying if the council followed up the installation notification with an inspection and then slapped a remedial work notice on you.

 

[JohnHarrison]

You might want to ACTUALLY check with your local council. Rather than trying to interpret things yourself.

I did check with him. He was emphatic that no pipe will be run on the landing.

I fail to see what the Council have to do with it. Their Building Control? If Building Control tell the freeholder he must have a pipe on HIS property, a pipe he does not want, I can see his reply now. Building Control or H&S cannot force him to do anything.

You cannot go running pipes and cables on other people's property. That is clear in law. This is a clear exemption case. The more I look the clearer it becomes.

 

[JohnHarrison]

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