corgi gas course

[Agile]

Gas work has had to be qualified and registered for about 15 years now and rented properties have needed only gas Certificates.

Electricians have been able to get away with being unqualified until recently and there is a shortage of 2391 people. I coached friends son when he was taking it. The electrical bits were reasonable straightforward but it included lots of irrelevant health and safety and first aid bits to pad it out.

Next April all rented properties will need electrical Certs ( last April according to some ). Electricians are paid less the plumbers until they have 2391 then they get more. Thats only because of the shortage!

The difference is that electrical wiring faults are very simple. Gas boilers are complicated and have significant set up and operational faults which can take a considerable amount of skill to diagnose.

Tony

 

[Biggles..]

"I coached friends son when he was taking it. The electrical bits were reasonable straightforward but it included lots of irrelevant health and safety and first aid bits that pad it out"

Tony

Complete and utter rubbish, if you'd have sat 2391 you'd know that the paper is 100% electrical and so is the practical with no health and safety mentioned.

The 2330, however starts with very in depth H&S but no more than the CITB scheme to work on sites but this course is for new entrants with some or no understanding.

 

[Softus]

The difference is that electrical wiring faults are very simple.

I see. I wonder how many electricians agree with this statement.

Gas boilers are complicated...

A claim of questionable verity, but it's clearly in your own interests for you to pretend that they are.

 

[Paul Barker]

The Napit 2391 computer exam which has a 100% pass requirement like the gas exams do, but is open book, has a lot of legal and health and safety at work act related questions.

The c&g 2391 writen paper which is not 100% it's a sliding average depending how the others around the country do on that day but general requires about 70% pass mark, which is closed book, has very few questions and they are mostly pertinent, though there are some curve balls.

Both are a real test of your metal, equally as hard as gas exams.

2381 I could train both my 9 year old and my 12 year old to pass. I'd get them to the point they could get the required 51% right off the top of their heads in 1/2 an hor of the two hours allowed. It's a farce.

 

[Agile]

The Napit 2391 computer exam which has a 100% pass requirement like the gas exams do, but is open book, has a lot of legal and health and safety at work act related questions.

LCGS, you are quoting me and apparently disagreeing with what I said.

How do you assimilate what Paul has now said?

Tony

 

[Biggles..]

Tony,
if you class a exam given by a company such as NAPIT as being the actucal inspection,testing and verification exam then you are competely out of touch with the exam and electrical registration system. NAPIT's exam is there too ensure that those that dont have C&G 2391 and wish to join a part p register are able to inspect and test to an acceptable standard according to NAPIT. Bearing in mind the only qual needed to get on NAPIT's register is 2381 which Paul has stated his 9year old could pass, then they have to prove competence in testing somehow, so their version of 2391 is what they do. As you will notice it isnt a City and Guilds qualification so actually bears no academic weight.

For your JIB rating C&G2391 (C&G2400 also) are the only recognised qualifications for electrical inspectors of which their exams contain absolutly no health and safety.

First section of the exam is multipule guess on statutary and non stat literature, test equipment, simple testing equipment, voltage and general questions form BS7671 and GN3.You cannot pass the exam from this section alone.

Second section is long answer questions in various parts detailing actual testing measuremnet and calculations on given scenarios (the old favourite being the cast iron lamp posts).Latest exam is how to complete a EIC from a list of results.

Lee

 

[Paul Barker]

Err no the napit 2391 exam is to allow you full scope membership. I already had eal level II which qualified me for part P scope a year since. This is why I found the 2381 a stroll in the park. The eal level II course taught properly by electrical training centre staffed by guys with 20 to o30 years experience each, is a really good course for someone like us that have a lot of catching up to do. But once the catching up is done, it's plain sailing.

 

[Agile]

Lee, I am certainly not in touch with the various 2391s.

It was several years ago when I coached this fellow for the C&G 2391 and not knowing the sylabus I was surprised that there were so many H&E and safety aspects included. Perhaps they were taken out or were only part of the course but not the assessment but they were certainly in the sample questions he had to answer.

I might do the Napit 2391 next year or even earlier if they managed to be able to register gas work.

Tony

 

[Biggles..]

I currently teach 1 day a month at an adult training centre where John Andrews the CEO of NAPIT also gives a quick lesson to would be kitchen installers on the electrical aspests of part p, and from what he has lead me and the fellow staff to believe is that it wont be long till NAPIT run schemes not just for gas but also for plumbing and ventilation.It will be interesting to see how many people decide to no longer renew with corgi.He does realise that the CORGI name still means alot with the consummer but predicts NAPIT to have a competative price to justify the change.

Tony, get all the electrical quals while you can cos over the next coming academic year the exams are being re written and are supposed to be alot harder. The recent change in style in the 2391 paper which saw candidates having to complete an EIC form, saw that from a class of 12 only 3 passed, some of whom were not full time sparks(according to our apprentice that sat the exam).

 

[Paul Barker]

I would certainly join them for gas because my impression of their organisation is positive so far.

Still in rebellion over water and ventilation.

Only doing heating and electrical work now.

 

[ChrisR]

Reading with interest, and teetering towards your way forward Paul.

 

[Softus]

He does realise that the CORGI name still means alot with the consummer...

In that case he's completely out of touch with the consumer mindset.

Most people don't give two hoots whether or not someone is actually registered, they just want their boiler problems to go away. I'm not, and never have been, an RGI, and yet almost every one of my customers who has a gas boiler asks me to look at theirs, and is immensely disappointed when I decline - many ask if I would have a look anyway.

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Edit - previously in this post I had written, incorrectly: "I'm not, and have been, an RGI...". Sorry for any confusion.

 

[Paul Barker]

You're probably right, actually you know what you could do a whole years worth of boiler repairs and you'd only get a few hundred pounds fine if you were caught but did everything to a satisfactory standard, or no fine at all and a verbal warning which is nothing more than a carry on m8 we'll go off and hound someone who's registered....

I might join you.

 

[Softus]

I might join you.

Confused at this end - I only do non-gas boiler and heating repairs, so when you say that you might join me what do you mean?

I thought you were already an RGI Paul, so are you thinking that you might not renew?

 

[Paul Barker]

I just made a flipant remark (for humour's sake) based on an wrong assumption from misreading your post, which confused you..