Deal or no deal

[JohnD]

What does "surrender" have to do with war, asks dum.

 

[durhamplumber]

What does "surrender" have to do with war, asks dum.

Are you that numb even a dictionary definition does not penetrate your illiteracy.

 

[durhamplumber]

influence....Where is war mentioned Jonnynobrain.

Only one person mentions war...All to do with the context...back to your drawing board.Do yourself a favour and stop mentioning war..It Really makes you appear dense.

 

[fillyboy]

'Fancy going on to a club?': How Boris Johnson's Brexit meal went wrong (thedailymash.co.uk)

'Fancy going on to a club?': How Boris Johnson's Brexit meal went wrong
10th December 2020

CURIOUS to know what happened at the make-or-break Brexit trade talks last night? Here is an almost certainly true account.

5.45pm. Johnson emerges from his plane at Brussels airport looking like a sack of ****. Unable to resist acting the unfunny clown, he tells European journalists, “Lucky your Messerschmitts didn’t get us, eh what?”

7.30pm. The meal begins. Ursula von der Leyen sets out the key sticking points, including EU regulatory standards, the UK selling off its fishing rights years ago, and the Irish border.

7.32pm. Johnson is bored and discusses Britain’s close relationship with Europe in the context of winning World War 2. He also asks for another napkin because he has dropped some scallops in his lap.

8.59pm. Johnson has been hammering the red wine and tries to make a London bus out of a bread roll and four biscuits. EU negotiators are baffled and make a cautious call to local mental health services, just in case.

10.45pm. A well-oiled Johnson suggests he and Ursula forget all this boring rubbish and go somewhere a bit more lively. He deploys the killer chat-up line “You’re quite attractive for an older woman”.

12.02am. Determined to conclude the trade talks, the EU delegation allow themselves to be led through Brussels in search of “somewhere that’s open” by Johnson. He instructs chief UK negotiator David Frost to “get some fags” on the way.

12.57am. Johnson locates a tacky late-opening bar with some sort of club in the basement playing bland Euro techno-pop.

3.15am. The EU delegation finish their drinks and go home, with Johnson having disappeared hours ago. He is later found in Antwerp where he was “trying to buy some E”.

 

[fillyboy]

So Armageddon may come to pass after all.

What, ellal will say 'armageddon out of here' again?

 

[fillyboy]

The deal with Canada is based on the current EU standards, which Canada are expected to observe and comply with, and it is based on something called "Regulatory cooperation", i.e. Canada maintains the current alignment with EU standards, and a discussion mechanism exists to deal with any future potential differences. Unilateral action by either party can cause invocation of penalties. https://www.tjm.org.uk/documents/br...t-and-Regulatory-Cooperation-after-Brexit.pdf
Theses 'standards' include all 'workers rights', 'environmental standards', 'food/hygiene standards', etc.

Canada has not displayed a willingness to break international treaties. The same cannot be said about the current UK government. Therefore it is only natural that EU wish to include a mechanism to prevent UK from repeating its treaty breaking behaviour, e.g. future dynamic alignment. You could say, "the UK brought it on themselves".

If you were trading with a partner, would you expect that partner to align their products with your current and future standards? Of course you would.
It that partner has demonstrated their trustworthiness, you might cut them some slack. The UK has demonstrated that they are quite willing to break international treaties. Moreover Boris has declared that the future of UK will be a low regulatory regime.
What does he expect?

As I said, if EU agree a 'current regulatory' deal with UK, and UK is seen to diverge from that regulatory cooperation, there will be many more countries lining up for a "UK Style" deal. The EU will have created its own current and future weapon for destroying the Single Market.
It cannot afford to do that. What UK are asking for is simply not available, unless a mechanism is in place to cover such eventualities that EU can foresee, and UK have declared (and demonstrated) to be its future behaviour.

That is why it is a disagreement of ideologies. It cannot be resolved, other than one party making compromises.

According to Dominic Raab UK has offered to comply with the same LPF terms as Canada, those terms are not insidious enough for the EU's liking.

As for the uk breaking International law, I'd be far more concerned about tariffs between one part of the UK and another.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

According to Dominic Raab UK has offered to comply with the same LPF terms as Canada, those terms are not insidious enough for the EU's liking.

Canada hasn't recently demonstrated its willingness to break international treaties.
Who will trust UK to honour its commitments now?
But Dominic Raab is not involved in the negotiations, and who will believe anything this government's unappointed representatives say anyway?

I'd be far more concerned about tariffs between one part of the UK and another.

Hence the reason why the 'Union' is now at risk.

 

[Notch7]

According to Dominic Raab UK has offered to comply with the same LPF terms as Canada, those terms are not insidious enough for the EU's liking.

As for the uk breaking International law, I'd be far more concerned about tariffs between one part of the UK and another.

I've already told you why, clearly you can't absorb facts


Simples:

1 Canada only does 1/10 of UK trade with EU
2 Canada deal is not tariff free
3 Canada doesn't want access to SM financial services
4 Canada is trustworthy unlike UK which breaks international agreements


detail.....not something Brexers deal in



Read more: https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/deal-or-no-deal.558970/page-8#ixzz6gFrIeJnC

 

[Dangee]

Not something remainers deal in .......,. Reality......,,, LOSERS. Lol.

 

[durhamplumber]

Not something remainers deal in .......,. Reality......,,, LOSERS. Lol.

They do not do reality.Democracy.Pride in the UK..Anything positive.

 

[SirGalahad]

Not something remainers deal in .......,. Reality......,,, LOSERS. Lol.

Sunlit Uplands. I can't wait.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

.....
4 Canada is trustworthy unlike UK which breaks international agreements.....

I think it's reasonable to say that the Internal Markets Bill has done far more damage than the UK Government envisaged.
It's already made EU wary of UK's intentions to avoid respecting any agreement where possible.
And the UK Government have already signaled their intention to go for as low a regulatory framework as possible.
EU are right to be wary of the UK Government's integrity.

I guess this is just one area that EU's experience in negotiating trade deals has paid dividends. Experience that UK has demonstrated is sadly lacking.
The Internal Markets Bill and its repercussions suggests that the UK Government have a gunshot wound to the foot.

 

[ellal]

I think it's reasonable to say that the Internal Markets Bill has done far more damage than the UK Government envisaged.
It's already made EU wary of UK's intentions to avoid respecting any agreement where possible.

It's far worse than that...

The whole world will be wary of the UK's intentions to avoid respecting any agreement where possible.!

 

[durhamplumber]

It's far worse than that...

The whole world will be wary of the UK's intentions to avoid respecting any agreement where possible.!

The EU will not negotiate a deal....No surprise there then! GOOD JOB WE LEAVING EU.

 

[JohnD]

Funny thing is if we flounce out and say WTO terms are fine, we have to abide by regulations, and disputes are judged by a bunch of foreigners.