DIY gas

[jh75]

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No numpty.....

Taken from ACOPS
57 Anyone who works on a gas fitting…. Therefore, do-it-yourself gas engineers and those performing favours for friends and relatives all need to have the required competence.

• 58 Competence is a combination of practical skill, training, knowledge, experience to carry out the job in hand safely, and ensuring the installation is left in a safe condition for use. Knowledge must be kept up-to-date with changes in the law, technology and safe working practice.

• 60 Gas work should not be undertaken except:

• a) by a person who has successfully completed an industry recognised training course followed by assessment of competence. Training that leads to assessment of competence in safe gas work must be recognised by the industry’s Standards Setting Authority. or
• b) in the case of a previously Registered person, they have proved competence through a Certification Scheme. or
• c) for those working at premises that fall outside the scope of the Regulations (see regulation 2(4) and associated guidance), by a person who has successfully completed an industry recognised training course followed by assessment of competence.
• 61 Training should be of a standard to enable a gas engineer to achieve competence in the safe installation, purging, commissioning, testing, servicing, maintenance, repair, disconnection, modification and dismantling, of the gas systems, fittings and appliances with which they are working. This should include an adequate knowledge of associated services, such as water and electricity, of the dangers they may give rise to and the precautions to take.

Please explain how your going to prove yourself competent?

afraid what you are citing is not the law... but Health and Safety guidelines.

The law is clear on this http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1998/2451/regulation/3/made

Read it and weep
3.—(1) No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.

 

[Dan Robinson]

Read and weep nobby. . . . He said getting "kicks" not "addicted"

 

[Dan Robinson]

No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.

And how do you prove competence ?

 

[gasmanstu72]

 

[oilboffin]

I say what an absolutely brill picture of a troll nice to see one in the flesh,now I know what we,re up
Against.

 

[Agile]

I read all the descriptions!

One I liked best was band aids on fingers from pounding his keyboard !

Reminded me of Adam for some reason.

 

[jh75]

I read all the descriptions!

One I liked best was band aids on fingers from pounding his keyboard !

Reminded me of Adam for some reason.

@Agile

Are you a moderator?

 

[SimonH2]

I will point out that most of you calling "Troll !" are acting just like them yourselves. When you claim (as some have done) that "the law says ..." and are then shown that in fact the law does not say that, just calling the person pointing out the truth doesn't change the truth.
The simple facts, which I know most of you would like to dispute because it affects your "status", is that DIY work (not involving remuneration) on gas systems is not illegal. Getting whatever ticket someone claimed was the "only" way of being legal is not in fact the only way of showing competence - it's just one way, and the way "the industry" would like people to believe is "the law" because the industry likes having a closed shop. Get this point: The law does not specify how you gain competence, so anyone who says that "you must have ticket XYZ to be competent is just plain LYING.
And quite frankly, from the experiences I've had, having got your qualifications and closed shop membership doesn't seem to be any guarantee at all that some of you have the slightest flippin clue what you are doing.
So a few of you, not all, but a significant few of you, really need to look in a mirror before calling other people names.

 

[Agile]

The arguments were not about what was needed to BE competent !

But what was needed to PROVE competence!

 

[SimonH2]

The two go hand in hand to a large extent.
But the point still stands, there are those who in this and other threads have lied that "the law says ..." when the law does not say what they claim.
The law is very clear, as long as it's not by way of trade, then ANYONE can work on a gas system as long as they are competent to do so. Note that it doesn't say "if they can show competence", only that are competent - though I will accept that the difference is rather moot should the brown stuff hit the mechanical ventilator and someone land in court.
But then, I know of someone locally with the required qualifications who was found guilty of gas work offences - so being qualified is no guarantee there either.

 

[CChris]

afraid what you are citing is not the law... but Health and Safety guidelines.

The law is clear on this http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1998/2451/regulation/3/made

Read it and weep
3.—(1) No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.

Actually, from that same link:

3.-(3)Without prejudice to the generality of paragraphs (1) and (2) above and subject to paragraph (4) below, no employer shall allow any of his employees to carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or service pipework and no self-employed person shall carry out any such work, unless the employer or self-employed person, as the case may be, is a member of a class of persons approved for the time being by the Health and Safety Executive for the purposes of this paragraph.

And from the HSE:
80
Gas work should only be undertaken:
(a)
by a person who has successfully completed an industry-recognised
training course followed by assessment of competence. Training that
leads to assessment of competence in safe gas work should be
recognised by the industry’s standards setting body; or
(b)
in the case of a currently or previously registered person, where they
have proved competence through a certification scheme; or
(c)
for those working at premises that fall outside the scope of the
Regulations (see regulation 2(4) and associated guidance), by a person
who has successfully completed an appropriate full training course
followed by assessment of competence.


So frankly, you are talking out of your ar$e.

There are many of us on these types of forums that consider ourselves very competent DIYers. But competent also means knowing where to draw the line, and while a DIYer may be skilled enough to do all sorts including the wet work plumbing, dont be a kn0b and mess about with the gas side no matter how good you (think you) are or how much time you spend on google first.

Get the wet side wrong, you get wet. (blowing up an unvented cylinder aside)
Get the gas side wrong and people can die.

 

[jh75]

Actually, from that same link:

3.-(3)Without prejudice to the generality of paragraphs (1) and (2) above and subject to paragraph (4) below, no employer shall allow any of his employees to carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or service pipework and no self-employed person shall carry out any such work, unless the employer or self-employed person, as the case may be, is a member of a class of persons approved for the time being by the Health and Safety Executive for the purposes of this paragraph.

And from the HSE:
80
Gas work should only be undertaken:
(a)
by a person who has successfully completed an industry-recognised
training course followed by assessment of competence. Training that
leads to assessment of competence in safe gas work should be
recognised by the industry’s standards setting body; or
(b)
in the case of a currently or previously registered person, where they
have proved competence through a certification scheme; or
(c)
for those working at premises that fall outside the scope of the
Regulations (see regulation 2(4) and associated guidance), by a person
who has successfully completed an appropriate full training course
followed by assessment of competence.


So frankly, you are talking out of your ar$e.

There are many of us on these types of forums that consider ourselves very competent DIYers. But competent also means knowing where to draw the line, and while a DIYer may be skilled enough to do all sorts including the wet work plumbing, dont be a kn0b and mess about with the gas side no matter how good you (think you) are or how much time you spend on google first.

Get the wet side wrong, you get wet. (blowing up an unvented cylinder aside)
Get the gas side wrong and people can die.

Jesus Christ pal... Don't you realise the bit you quoted applies to employers?? The clue was in the first sentence 'no employer shall allow any of his employees...'

If you don't like the law go and picket outside parliament. But please stop being dense

 

[SimonH2]

... employer ... employees ... self-employed person ... employer or self-employed person ...

In what way is this talk about employers, employees, self employed is relevant to a DIY person ? I don't recall anyone saying that someone doing it as a trade didn't need to be qualified.

Get the wet side wrong, you get wet. (blowing up an unvented cylinder aside)
Get the gas side wrong and people can die.

Get it wrong servicing the brakes, steering, wheel bearings, ... on a car wrong and people can die.
Get it wrong doing electrical work and people can die.
Get it wrong doing all sorts of things and people can die.
Take to extreme, babies and children die - so the act of bringing them into the world causes "people to die" (actually in much larger numbers than die as a result of gas incidents). So perhaps that should be prohibited as a DIY activity as well ?

So your point is ?

And actually, get things wrong with the wet side (in certain ways) and people can die.

 

[JohnD]

".....Gas work should only be undertaken...."

"Should" indicates a recommendation.

"Must" indicates an obligation.

These things are carefully written.

 

[Dan Robinson]

And no one has yet said how they can prove their competence outside of acs .