Does Nato have

Wrong!!
So what happened in Libya and Iraq??
For better or worse both countries had their leaders and
you will agree no country in the world has a leader that has 100% support.

No, not wrong Ivan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO

The North Atlantic Treaty Organization, also called the North Atlantic Alliance, is an intergovernmental military alliance among 28 European countries and 2 North American countries. Established in the aftermath of World War II, the organization implements the North Atlantic Treaty, signed 4 April 1949.

NATO constitutes a system of collective security, whereby its independent member states agree to mutual defense in response to an attack by any external party. It was established during the Cold War in response to the threat posed by the Soviet Union. The alliance has remained in place since the end of the Cold War, and has been involved in military operations in the Balkans, the Middle East and North Africa. The NATO headquarters is located in Brussels, Belgium, while the headquarters of Allied Command Operations is near Mons, Belgium.

Since its founding, the admission of new member states has increased the alliance from the original 12 countries to 30. The most recent member state to be added to NATO was North Macedonia on 27 March 2020. NATO currently recognizes Bosnia and Herzegovina, Georgia, and Ukraine as aspiring members. Enlargement has led to tensions with non-member Russia, with Russian President Vladimir Putin demanding that NATO provide legal guarantees that it would stop expanding east (to countries such as Ukraine, Georgia or Moldova).

An additional 20 countries participate in NATO's Partnership for Peace programme, with 15 other countries involved in institutionalized dialogue programmes. The combined military spending of all NATO members in 2020 constituted over 57 per cent of the global nominal total. Members agreed that their aim is to reach or maintain the target defence spending of at least 2 per cent of their GDP by 2024.

Libya

NATO didn't impose a No Fly Zone in Libya, member states did following a UN Resolution on the conflict, NATO would eventually take over the NFZ resulting in disagreement among the pact that it had overstepped its charter.

Iraq

Iraq training mission
Main article: NATO Training Mission – Iraq
In August 2004, during the Iraq War, NATO formed the NATO Training Mission – Iraq, a training mission to assist the Iraqi security forces in conjunction with the US-led MNF-I.[73] The NATO Training Mission-Iraq (NTM-I) was established at the request of the Iraqi Interim Government under the provisions of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1546. The aim of NTM-I was to assist in the development of Iraqi security forces training structures and institutions so that Iraq can build an effective and sustainable capability that addresses the needs of the nation. NTM-I was not a combat mission but is a distinct mission, under the political control of the North Atlantic Council. Its operational emphasis was on training and mentoring. The activities of the mission were coordinated with Iraqi authorities and the US-led Deputy Commanding General Advising and Training, who was also dual-hatted as the Commander of NTM-I. The mission officially concluded on 17 December 2011.[74]

Turkey invoked the first Article 4 meetings in 2003 at the start of the Iraq War. Turkey also invoked this article twice in 2012 during the Syrian Civil War, after the downing of an unarmed Turkish F-4 reconnaissance jet, and after a mortar was fired at Turkey from Syria,[75] and again in 2015 after threats by Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant to its territorial integrity.[76]
 
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I thought I might be able to find you a page on Russian cruise missile capabilities. The ideas have hit the news so no chance. Lets just say none of Europe is safe from them. No need for nuke heads but no doubt they could be fitted with them. The UK is part of Europe too like it or not.

So as Biden says if NATO find themselves at war with Russia all hell breaks loose. The UK is a bit of an American aircraft carrier close to mainland Europe. Some European countries figure as well.mostly Germany I think in terms of fighting.

The other catch is how to win a war against Russia. Signs of defeat on their side means nukes. Same for all with them really. Out come the big missiles. Hypersonic these days. Then there are the subs.
 
I still think that before the convoy enters Kyiv, Putin will be forced to empty his drawers at the Kremlin office and escorted from the building, or shot.
 
NATO ignored a drone that flew over Romania and Hungary before crashing in Croatia, that's sending out the wrong signal.
The TU-141 seems to operated only by Ukraine.

it’s odd NATO seemed not to report it

these things are pretty big - they weigh 6 tons
 
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No, NATO is a defensive alliance whose sole purpose is to defend the nations states within it against any unprovoked attack.

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Stop the name-calling mate just shows you for what you are..!!!

You are wrong again and I have requoted what you said and that won't go away unless you delete it.
It's no good to anyone trying to answer a question with a question you made up, mate.
You stated as above and your are very, very wrong yet again.
Ok!!
 
For better or worse both countries had their leaders and
you will agree no country in the world has a leader that has 100% support.

Let me just deal with this part.

There's a difference between a country having a leader which doesn't have 100% support and one which has a lifelong dictator who when their population finally rises up to resist him then starts brutally suppressing and killing those people.

Did Libya go well for us? No!

Does that mean we should just turn a blind eye in all instances because "countries have their leaders".... no.
 
Stop the name-calling mate just shows you for what you are..!!!

You are wrong again and I have requoted what you said and that won't go away unless you delete it.
It's no good to anyone trying to answer a question with a question you made up, mate.
You stated as above and your are very, very wrong yet again.
Ok!!

You are a troll, nothing more.

Evidenced by changing your country flag to Belarus so excuse me if I don't extend you full courtesy.

I gave you the link, go read it.
 
Let me just deal with this part.
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Thanks for adhering to my request about not calling me names as it just shows what you are.

No mate, answer the initial question I set out against what you said which you ignored and made up your own question and then answered it.

Do you want me to repost what you said.
 
Thanks for adhering to my request about not calling me names as it just shows what you are.

No mate, answer the initial question I set out against what you said which you ignored and made up your own question and then answered it.

Do you want me to repost what you said.

This what you posted.

"Wrong!!
So what happened in Libya and Iraq??
For better or worse both countries had their leaders and
you will agree no country in the world has a leader that has 100% support."

I answered each and every part of that and feel no need to provide any further information.
 
I thought I might be able to find you a page on Russian cruise missile capabilities. The ideas have hit the news so no chance. Lets just say none of Europe is safe from them. No need for nuke heads but no doubt they could be fitted with them. The UK is part of Europe too like it or not.

So as Biden says if NATO find themselves at war with Russia all hell breaks loose. The UK is a bit of an American aircraft carrier close to mainland Europe. Some European countries figure as well.mostly Germany I think in terms of fighting.

The other catch is how to win a war against Russia. Signs of defeat on their side means nukes. Same for all with them really. Out come the big missiles. Hypersonic these days. Then there are the subs.

My understanding is Ukraine had the capability to take out the convoy, but feared an escalation.
A report mentioned that it would take them too close to surface to air missiles. Aircraft these days are totally useless until that side of things has been won. That used to be done by outproducing the enemy and taking the losses. They can be shot down far more easily these days with the right kit.

They are also mostly equipped with obsolete USSR stuff and have lacked the money to maintain and use it.

The convoy has fanned out now. You would think that might ease aircraft use. I think not as they can't effectively use them.
 
No, NATO is a defensive alliance whose sole purpose is to defend the nations states within it against any unprovoked attack.

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Last and fourth attempt by me to prove me I was wrong which I was not hence your refusal to answer the question

Like I said before, its no good answering a made-up question of your own or calling me names.
About calling me silly names, I accept that you have stopped doing that
However, you have not answered the question but for reasons, we all know you run a mile from it.

Anyways, I was right hence your inability to answer the question as raised about the inaccurate point you stated re NATO.

I'll let you have the last word as usual, lol.

Adios!!!
 
Are there any red lines ?

should there be ?

chemical attack ?? Would this be a red line ?

or should the west turn a blind eye ? condemn it verbally When or if thousands of ukranians are gassed ?
 
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