Droning noise in central heating boiler

[Dan Robinson]

Meaningless twaddle.

You have no idea how much CO was being given off. And it has no bearing on magical abilities to smell CO before a dedicated sensor does.

So much bullshlt it actually hurts to read it.

 

[RickMoore]

Smell CO

This pics great in response to that statement too

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• RickMoore
• 21 Jan 2013
• 2

 

[Dan Robinson]

With the current crop of amateur advice coming at the moment that picture is going to get a good outing.

 

[Mikefromlondon]

So there you go Joe, no one else has come up with a real answer to OP's question apart from you and or another fellow suggesting possible faults.

I don't see how the registered and the experienced guys on here are being of any help to people like OP, or anyone else, by not being able to suggest what possible causes are there for his droning noise, in saying so that does not mean that OP is going to start taking his boiler apart and try and fix it himself, he is only asking for your expert opinion, you are not actually authorising him to carry out his own repairs are you!

If he does, you are not liable, if he does and it goes wrong, he will be the one who will be facing the consequences, and I don't see how you guys assume that all the people who come on here are seeking your expertice to try and repair their boiler, they may just be asking what do you think it might be and they probably want to make sure that they haven't been mislead by their own RGI who may have told the owner loads of porky pies.

 

[Netdragon]

The op needs a RGI simple as that, if you refer to the forum rules some aspects you can't comment on this being one of them. Joe has no gas certs as I am sure you do not.
It's not a case of helping him its a case of untrained muppets like joe reading forum taking apart a boiler to try what's said and blowing up a street, this is why there are gas and forums rules.

Unlike joe work on alarms if he messes up its noise or blown fuse/mcb if you mess up with gas it's bang, burns or death.

No one here RGI would talk to a op giving gas control component advice, this is something you need to remember you giving advice here could affect lives.....

 

[Agile]

I don't see how the registered and the experienced guys on here are being of any help to people like OP, or anyone else, by not being able to suggest what possible causes are there for his droning noise, in saying so that does not mean that OP is going to start taking his boiler apart and try and fix it himself, he is only asking for your expert opinion, you are not actually authorising him to carry out his own repairs are you!

If he does, you are not liable, if he does and it goes wrong, he will be the one who will be facing the consequences, and I don't see how you guys assume that all the people who come on here are seeking your expertice to try and repair their boiler, they may just be asking what do you think it might be and they probably want to make sure that they haven't been mislead by their own RGI who may have told the owner loads of porky pies.

Mike, most people come on here to find out how to fix their boiler themselves!

The odd one who doesn't will still have any replies searched for by those who do want to fix it themselves.

This site has very sensible rules that we dont give advice on gas or combustion issues. We follow those rules or have any inappropriate advice properly deleted by the mods!

This problem should be easily fixed by any competent RGI who specialises in repairs rather then just installing boilers.

Tony Glazier

 

[Mikefromlondon]

Tony and Netdragon, indeed I agree with all your safety concerns, I am sure Joe as well as myself is fully aware of these concerns, safety of others is always treated above all else. I am sure we all have this attitude and responsibility.

Most people ( the average bloke) cannot even change a 3 pin plug, and so there is hardly any chance him taking his boiler apart, he may simply be seeking just an opinion, but Ok i understand why you are unable to give advice for legal reasons.

I am just wondering how are they able to show all those video clips on how to repair your own boiler etc etc. on youtube.

 

[Agile]

Most people ( the average bloke) cannot even change a 3 pin plug, and so there is hardly any chance him taking his boiler apart, he may simply be seeking just an opinion, but Ok i understand why you are unable to give advice for legal reasons.

I am just wondering how are they able to show all those video clips on how to repair your own boiler etc etc. on youtube.

You would be surprised how many try even if their skill levels are minimal. We get called to some of those! In most cases the boiler just does not work! Plumbing mistakes are more amusing as they can be accompanied by leaks and no working stopcock ( the first thing a pro plumber checks before starting! )

An amusing one was where the DIYer was drilling the floor to fit a door strip!

He drilled into a gas pipe in several places with a very small drill but did not notice the escaping gas until he drilled a water pipe and with the kitchen floor flooded he could see all the gas bubbles !

When I went called by the pregnant flat owner, the boyfriend DIYer was hidden in the front room except I saw his boots when I passed the open room door!

 

[Netdragon]

I have been to jobs with the boiler in bits as the customer tried fixing it them selfs one had a pilot going out on a pilot combi and as the ignition did not work he cut open the case and was using maches allowing poc into the room!! I asked why he said his m8 down the pub said to do it to light, on further questioning it was a open system the guy had, not room sealed as this guy had.

Since he butchered the boiler I put it at ID and told gas board concern cust reconnect, I believe they came capped the gas.

People do stupid things even remove bbu fire fronts and brick up their boiler starving it of air. Gas installer every month has load of bad install pictures, the number is high. Joe you everyone that gives advice on gas controls may be louring ppl at risk.

Ain't no joke if you give bad advice and ppl die

 

[joe-90]

I don't give gas advice. Where do you think that I do?

 

[Netdragon]

The op needs a RGI simple as that, if you refer to the forum rules some aspects you can't comment on this being one of them. Joe has no gas certs as I am sure you do not.
It's not a case of helping him its a case of untrained muppets like joe reading forum taking apart a boiler to try what's said and blowing up a street, this is why there are gas and forums rules.

Unlike joe work on alarms if he messes up its noise or blown fuse/mcb if you mess up with gas it's bang, burns or death.

No one here RGI would talk to a op giving gas control component advice, this is something you need to remember you giving advice here could affect lives.....

More people are killed by electrics but they don't refer to part p every time someone asks a question in the electrics forum. Neither do they need their own forum to ask dopey questions in. You won't see a forum called 'The Consumer Unit'.

Ok electrics are deadly when touched and earthed.

Gas from leaks fills a room volume with gas and a spark makes it go bang it can also follow the gas pipe work and blowup more then a single home such as the flats while back.

Products of combustion can kill as well in homes away from the source.

More deadly then electrics as there is no safety fuse for gas is there if you balls up the gas keeps coming simple.

Electrics has fuses is more safer as a result.

 

[RF Lighting]

Electrics has fuses is more safer as a result.

You've never heard of faulty wiring starting a fire then?

At least you can smell gas when there's a leak.

 

[Netdragon]

Electrics has fuses is more safer as a result.

You've never heard of faulty wiring starting a fire then?

At least you can smell gas when there's a leak.

Yes they start fires but are not as explosive if tampered with, this is normally due to overloading for falty installations components/tampering with. same thing with gas but gas flows out of a open pipe, where electrics wait for contact to earth.

Also electrics has sieving with helps insulate current inside the conduit, gas comes unprotected in pipe work and will quite happily fill a room with gas without help.
To do the same you would need to fill the room with water then drop some power lines into it.

Also power has ip standards to protect against water if you have done 17th edition as I did a few years ago you will know what I refer to.

Not everyone can smell gas leaks or it may be masked, vented to outside, you can get 8mb/1min with no smell of gas detected

 

[Netdragon]

But still kills more people. Most gas faults are due to pipes being buried in concrete.

Not always some well protected can be safe still, this is mostly down to movement which causes leak or people adjusting joints and not testing the joints as a RGI would know how to.

Argument is won here you can dribble on will lol at the thread more in the cc section

 

[RF Lighting]

Rodents gnaw on cables, rooms get flooded, insulation fails, all sorts of things can cause problems. It doesn't need a path to earth for a fault to start a fire. A failed supply cable will quite happily sit there spewing motlen copper into a room with no contact to earth.

I've been to a job where a rotten backboard resulted in a cutout faling off the wall and leaving a live arcing incomming cable sticking out the wall.

The most comon DIY thing I get called out to is failed connections. They cet so hot the joint fails and what ever they are supplying stops working. It's only luck that stops the house burning down.

IP ratings mean nothing if a room get flooded or there's a leak. What IP rating do you think a standard switch or socket has?