Unbelievable. And you hold yourself up as a righteous upstanding member of the community? You're nothing but a total, unsociable, selfish, ****.
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I don't know why the assault accusation would automatically be false.
If the chap were to touch you, that would be assault.
There are laws in this country and everyone should abide by them. OK, so someone has dropped something accidentally or on purpose. The officers are advised to ask the litterer to pick it up. But this is where the system breaks down because they don't ask this question. They go straight to issuing a fine. This is because there are incentives to issue as many fines as they can.
Naturally, the litterer is going to be peeved (especially those who know the way the officers should work and those who dropped something by accident) and will not want to give up their details. The law does not allow detention by these officers and they cannot lay hands on people either, so those people are free to leave.
As for making society a better place, it would help if the money-grabbing councils and enforcement officers played by the rules. You can bet your boots that the vast majority of people asked to pick up what they have just dropped or face a fine will do so.
There will always be a small percentage of people who will break rules and not give a monkey's.
But most will comply.
If the chap were to touch you, that would be assault.
There are laws in this country and everyone should abide by them. OK, so someone has dropped something accidentally or on purpose. The officers are advised to ask the litterer to pick it up. But this is where the system breaks down because they don't ask this question. They go straight to issuing a fine. This is because there are incentives to issue as many fines as they can.
Naturally, the litterer is going to be peeved (especially those who know the way the officers should work and those who dropped something by accident) and will not want to give up their details. The law does not allow detention by these officers and they cannot lay hands on people either, so those people are free to leave.
As for making society a better place, it would help if the money-grabbing councils and enforcement officers played by the rules. You can bet your boots that the vast majority of people asked to pick up what they have just dropped or face a fine will do so.
There will always be a small percentage of people who will break rules and not give a monkey's.
But most will comply.
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I hate the mess smokers make, and the disgusting smell they make, and how the filthy bastards think it is their god-given right to drop their dimps on the spot wherever they are. Therefore I am in agreement with the fine (if the girl was guilty that is).
Of course, it shouldn't be a private company, probably run by criminal types, enforcing this, but the police.
Also, the original poster fancied the girl and thought himself her saviour.
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I agree. Littering is wrong. But rules can't be bent and laws broken in pursuit of the wrong-doers.
When I used to smoke I loved taking them for a ride by pretending to throw the butt, only to be abruptly approached by these wannabe Rambo and showing them the butt still in my hand.
My wife for once liked this trick and never told me off.
My wife for once liked this trick and never told me off.
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How does that legislation stop someone from simply walking away?
And don't just present links to some Act or other. You need to identify the relevant sections, paragraphs or whatever to support your argument.
If you can't be bothered to identify the relevant sections, why should anyone else do your work for you?
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When a car driver was seen emptying his car ashtray into the gutter outside my grandmothers she went and swept them up, and collected them in a dustpan. When the driver returned to the car and sat in she emptied the dustpan into his lap! when he protested she told him in no uncertain words that she didn't want his filty rubbish outside her house.
Don't know who eventually came off best in the rubbish stakes but she certainly won the words.
Don't know who eventually came off best in the rubbish stakes but she certainly won the words.
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There's two things here in the wording of the legislation that are crucial. The description "litter" and the words "and leaves it".
As far as I understand it "litter" means waste products discarded in an unsuitable location without consent.
The crucial part here is "waste products".
People have been fined (or an attempt has been made to fine them) for unintentionally dropping things like a bank note and a packet of ciggies. These are clearly not waste products.
If you do this, obviously you are going to "leave it" as you are not aware you have dropped it, There perhaps should be the word "intentionally" put in there.
I can't find anything about Ealing council but other councils have already banned pavement smoking outside pubs & restaurants.
English councils start banning smoking outside pubs and restaurants | Smoking | The Guardian
English councils start banning smoking outside pubs and restaurants | Smoking | The Guardian
Apologies for the tardy reply. I am assuming that she was handed a FPN for dropping a cigarette. From what I could see she had not walked away from it (other than heading towards the "environmental officers" when they called her over.
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better if they concentrated their efforts on the filthy dog owners who can’t be bothered to pick their filthy dog filth up off the pavement or worse let them stroll around fake oblivious to the filth it’s creating.
I don't think the two cases are the same.
I assume that she dropped a cigarette butt.
In your example, the apprentice had the opportunity to pick the litter up. In my example they will issue the FPN as soon as the butt hits the floor, regardless of whether you have walked away from it or not.
I am not condoning littering. I do not smoke. I do think that £150 is excessive, especially in the case of, for example, a roll up with no filter which on a dry day leaves the equivalent of 3 sesame seeds.
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