Earth needed?

[Harry Bloomfield]

he's already got some scrap 2-core lawnmower cable

Kind Regards, John

Just to be clear for the benefit of the OP - he should wire his socket in either T&E or 3-core flex, which ever type is used already as part of the rest of the installation and a matching size of conductor.

 

[JohnW2]

Just to be clear for the benefit of the OP - he should wire his socket in either T&E or 3-core flex, which ever type is used already as part of the rest of the installation and a matching size of conductor.

Exactly.

Kind Regards, John

 

[norseman]

Well this has been quite a ride during which I have received some good advice whilst others have just considered me irresponsible because I had intended to wire the socket in a manner that would be safe for my own use of class 2 appliances. For the benefit of the latter, having been made aware of the building regs. & the reason for their existence I shall adhere to them when I do the wiring.

Thank you all.

 

[Risteard]

Well this has been quite a ride during which I have received some good advice whilst others have just considered me irresponsible because I had intended to wire the socket in a manner that would be safe for my own use of class 2 appliances. For the benefit of the latter, having been made aware of the building regs. & the reason for their existence I shall adhere to them when I do the wiring.

Thank you all.

It could not be said to be safe regardless of who is using it to have an unearthed socket-outlet.

 

[FrodoOne]

Even if it's your opinion that I am being confrontational I see no excuse for your use of upper case wording & red script. I am not a child (actually I'm in my mid 'seventies) & don't appreciate replies that verge on abuse. All I was trying to get my head around was why would a socket destined for class 2/double insulated equipment need an earth? As to the cable I already have an (undamaged) length of it salvaged from an electric mower.
If it is illegal to use this spec. of cable for my intended purpose would it be acceptable to run a additional single wire between the power source earth point & that on the socket? If this appears to be over-complicating the job it's because I have arthritis in my fingers & cannot cope with 'twin & earth' wiring.

As to my comments about continental 2 pin plugs I was unaware of their earthing facility ... you are never too old to learn

While I am sorry if you have been offended, in my opinion, you were being "confrontational".
The "use of upper case wording & red script" was NOT directed at you but at EFLImpudence who wrote "You cannot do that."

I wrote while "you can do that", what should have been written was "You MAY not do that."
My "objection' was to a misuse of the English language by another, but not by you.

The "point" is that, while anyone CAN do anything which is within their capabilities, it is not that they always MAY do any such action.

In this instance it is about "conforming with REGULATIONS", as they exist in any jurisdiction at any time.
To take an extreme example, it is possible that you CAN commit murder (in various ways) but you MAY not do so, in most jurisdictions.


On the subject of "I have arthritis in my fingers & cannot cope with 'twin & earth' wiring.', may I suggest that you investigate the possibility that you MAY have a problem which could be relieved with "Massage".
I had a problem with not being able to open a pair of kitchen scissors without pain.

I purchased that which is termed as a "Percussion Massager" (as used by my Chiropractor), used it on my thumb, fingers and "hand" for about 10 minutes at a time over several days and gained relief such that I have not thought about using it for over a week!

(If it matters at all, I was born in 1936 and I am (therefore) now 86 years of age !)

 

[EFLImpudence]

In that case , I shall be equally unimpressed by your unnecessary waffling and emboldening.

I stand by what I wrote:

"You cannot (are not able to) do that. The socket must have an earth wire."

 

[norseman]

Have you ever wished that you hadn't started a subject in the first place
My last post (#33) was intended to close the thread, but ...

Well it is as far as I'm concerned, so anyone harping on about previous posts containing terms like 'waffling, confrontational, emboldening' etc. should not expect any further response from me.

I didn't understand, I asked for advice & received it from those qualified to advise.

 

[securespark]

I was born in 1936 and I am (therefore) now 86 years of age !)

My Mum was born in '36 and is 85

 

[clifford1]

The "point" is that, while anyone CAN do anything which is within their capabilities, it is not that they always MAY do any such action.

I MAY decide to read Fowler's "Modern English Usage", or perhaps just snooze in front of the fire and dream about wiring regulations.

Dogs MUST be carried on the escalator

 

[JohnW2]

I MAY decide to read Fowler's "Modern English Usage", or perhaps just snooze in front of the fire and dream about wiring regulations. ...

I'm not even sure to what extent his tome has much relevance to Australia, but I would certainly imagine that Fowler himself must be turning constantly in his grave on hearing the 'Modern Usage' of the 'English language' in that country

Kind Regards, John

 

[sparkwright]

Well this has been quite a ride during which I have received some good advice whilst others have just considered me irresponsible because I had intended to wire the socket in a manner that would be safe for my own use of class 2 appliances. For the benefit of the latter, having been made aware of the building regs. & the reason for their existence I shall adhere to them when I do the wiring.

Thank you all.

Irresponsible is just about the right word.

 

[norseman]

Irresponsible is just about the right word.

Guilty as charged, but through ignorance rather than intent

 

[FrodoOne]

My Mum was born in '36 and is 85

Maybe so.
However, I was born in February.

 

[securespark]

And she in December.

 

[eveares]

virtually everything UK electrical these days only has twin core cable

Lets see....Kettle, Mettle Toaster, Chrome bedside fan, PC power supply, extension leads, 24 port PoE network switch, TV, fridge, etc... all have 3 core flex and all require an earth connection!

Many devices in my house are a class 1 device and require a CPC "earth" connection.