Electrical Installation Certificate

[JohnW2]

Thanks John. The result of which presumably means I also require two Building Reg certificates once they have been submitted through NICEIC?

If the bathroom lighting work was all more than 2.25m above floor level (hence not in specified 'zones'), it would not be notifiable work, hence no Completion/Compliance certificate would be required.

Kind Regards, John

 

[JohnW2]

(I also failed to mention the new shaver socket in the bathroom. Could that be picked up by the MWC which also identifies the lighting?)

I would think so. However, if it were within 600mm (horizontally) of a bath or shower, it would be notifiable work, which would complicate things a bit.

Kind Regards, John

 

[crypal74]

(I also failed to mention the new shaver socket in the bathroom. Could that be picked up by the MWC which also identifies the lighting?)

I would think so. However, if it were within 600mm (horizontally) of a bath or shower, it would be notifiable work, which would complicate things a bit.

Kind Regards, John

No to both, thankfully!

 

[EFLImpudence]

(I also failed to mention the new shaver socket in the bathroom. Could that be picked up by the MWC which also identifies the lighting?)

Yes.

It could be noted that the shaver socket was on the circuit but may not be as long as the circuit details are recorded on the EIC.

 

[crypal74]

(I also failed to mention the new shaver socket in the bathroom. Could that be picked up by the MWC which also identifies the lighting?)

Yes.

It could be noted that the shaver socket was on the circuit but may not be as long as the circuit details are recorded on the EIC.

How are circuit details typically recorded?

 

[EFLImpudence]

You have had the consumer unit replaced.

All the circuits should be detailed in the EIC schedules.

I presume the bathroom will come under 'upstairs lighting'.

 

[JohnW2]

All the circuits should be detailed in the EIC schedules. ... I presume the bathroom will come under 'upstairs lighting'.

True - but the work to install the new shaver socket presumably ought to be documented on a MWC or EIC - so if it is not mentioned as part of the work on the 'CU replacement' EIC then it presumably would theoretically need a MWC of its own (probably combined with the lighting extension), wouldn't it? (even though the circuit is documented in the Schedule to the 'CU replacement' EIC).

Kind Regards, John

 

[EFLImpudence]

All the circuits should be detailed in the EIC schedules. ... I presume the bathroom will come under 'upstairs lighting'.

True - but the work to install the new shaver socket presumably ought to be documented on a MWC or EIC - so if it is not mentioned as part of the work on the 'CU replacement' EIC then it presumably would theoretically need a MWC of its own (probably combined with the lighting extension), wouldn't it? (even though the circuit is documented in the Schedule to the 'CU replacement' EIC).

If the new bathroom lights and shaver were NOT notifiable and installed at the same time as the CU replacement, I don't think it would be necessary to also have a MWC for them as the circuit details would be taken from 'farthest point' and all more onerous than those at the bathroom.

It should, though, be noted on the EIC details of work.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Second thoughts - the situation would be the same if they were notifiable, wouldn't it?

 

[JohnW2]

It should, though, be noted on the EIC details of work.

That was my point - that if the lighting and shaver socket work were not "noted on the ('CU replacement') EIC" then, strictly speaking, that work should be 'noted on' an MWC. Isn't that correct? ... otherwise no-one would be 'signing for' ('taking responsibility for') the work involved in the lighting/shaver socket.

Kind Regards, John

 

[JohnW2]

Second thoughts - the situation would be the same if they were notifiable, wouldn't it?

Indeed. I think notifiability is a red herring. All work should be covered by ('noted on') either an MWC or EIC, regardless of anything to do with notification.

Kind Regards, John

 

[EFLImpudence]

It should, though, be noted on the EIC details of work.

That was my point - that if the lighting and shaver socket work were not "noted on the ('CU replacement') EIC" then, strictly speaking, that work should be 'noted' on an MWC. Isn't that correct? ... otherwise no-one would be 'signing for' ('taking responsibility for') the work involved in the lighting/shaver socket.

Well, in a way - but you may as well say that the 'mistake' is not noting the total extent of the work; not the lack of a superfluous certificate.

 

[crypal74]

So, in the circumstances, would you suggest amending the existing certificate if possible and, if not, getting a MWC to cover the bathroom lighting and shaver socket?

I'm guessing the other domestic lighting (replacing downlighters with LEDs) would not need to be specifically mentioned, as they do not appear in a special area?

 

[JohnW2]

That was my point - that if the lighting and shaver socket work were not "noted on the ('CU replacement') EIC" then, strictly speaking, that work should be 'noted' on an MWC. Isn't that correct? ... otherwise no-one would be 'signing for' ('taking responsibility for') the work involved in the lighting/shaver socket.

Well, in a way - but you may as well say that the 'mistake' is not noting the total extent of the work; not the lack of a superfluous certificate.

Well, whether you describe it as such a 'mistake' or whatever, the fact remains that all the work has to be 'noted' on some sort of certificate - and, if an EIC not 'noting it' has already been issued, the simplest solution (not requiring 'revision' of the EIC) would be to issue a separate MWC.

Also, we don't know for certain about the chronology. If this were happening 'in real time', it would not be impossible that the CU replacement was undertaken, and an EIC issued for it, before the bathroom work was undertaken.

Kind Regards, John

 

[JohnW2]

So, in the circumstances, would you suggest amending the existing certificate if possible and, if not, getting a MWC to cover the bathroom lighting and shaver socket?

Yes, either. As I've said, I would personally think that an MWC would be a simpler solution - but it's up to you.

I'm guessing the other domestic lighting (replacing downlighters with LEDs) would not need to be specifically mentioned, as they do not appear in a special area?

Any and all electrical work should be documented on either an MWC or EIC. Maybe these things could be added to the 'bathroom MWC'?

Kind Regards, John