Electrics to Shed - dodgy advice?

[ban-all-sheds]

a shift system of hyperactive hamsters in my new patented hamster wheel generation system. That way, I can avoide Part P altogether. Or can I.........

No - I'm afraid not - electricity generators are special installations, be they powered by an internal combustion engine or hamsters...

 

[totallyspies]

Ts, you just got completely outgunned mate.

Really? How exactly? Im not your mate.

lets see, a registerd electrician

Im not registered. If I were, do you think I would be looking/suggesting ways of avoiding BC notification? hmmm


running swa up the garden and then plugging it in, (which, btw IS fixed wiring and its also not a pre-assembled kit, its a home grown kit-end of)

No, its a preassembled CE marked set.. Cant you click the links I posted and read information??

and hes going to get lots of work doing that isnt he?

I dont know, is he?


i think i might try that on one of my council jobs,

Be my guest.

I wouldnt suggest you did. Only use it for the prupose described I.E running power to a shed.

"dont worry mate, this plug here....well...dont take it out, thats your upstairs lights....

No, as above.

and this one here, thats your upstairs ring,

No, as above.


and this one, thats your hot water tank, and this one here is your shower, notice its a big blue CEE 63amp, dont worry, its still not fixed wiring [/quote]

NO! as above...

If you can't see from my previous postings that I mentioned it as a way of supplying power to a shed then.........Ho hum.......................(shrug)

 

[totallyspies]

Part P applies only to fixed wiring. This is not fixed wiring.

Then please explain this, from the description of the Armadillo system you referenced:

On one end of the armoured cable are two weatherproof switches. These are fixed at a convenient point such as close to the back door.

Ok i'll explain it for you.

Well.... yes, it would be fixed wiring, if you decide to fix it as described or fix it at all

Therfore its a preassembled, extension lead that happens to be made with SWA. Therefore NOT fixed wiring! You may not like it but so what?

 

[securespark]

Bear with me here.

I had a Xantia which broke down. The plastic link between the clutch pedal and cable snapped.

It cost 192 sovs to fix at a Citroen garage. I believed it was under warranty, but Citroen insisted that "clips" were not covered, as stated in the warranty.

But it was only a "clip" because Citroen UK called it such. So my missus rang Citroen in France, and asked them what they called it. I forget the exact nomenclature, but suffice to say it was not excluded from the warranty, so I won a refund.

Point being, does this kit describe itself as an extension lead?

If not, it cannot be one.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

And if it's intended to be fixed, and you don't fix it, then I am fairly sure that as a result of not following the manufacturers instructions you have invalidated the CE mark....

 

[totallyspies]

Bear with me here.

I had a Xantia which broke down. The plastic link between the clutch pedal and cable snapped.

It cost 192 sovs to fix at a Citroen garage. I believed it was under warranty, but Citroen insisted that "clips" were not covered, as stated in the warranty.

But it was only a "clip" because Citroen UK called it such. So my missus rang Citroen in France, and asked them what they called it. I forget the exact nomenclature, but suffice to say it was not excluded from the warranty, so I won a refund.

Point being, does this kit describe itself as an extension lead?

If not, it cannot be one.

It doesnt matter if it is decsribed as an extension lead or not.

You could just as easily call it a "flexible power extender" or "Stowable mains lead" anything else you could think of.

You go to a DIY shop. You buy some flex, a trailing socket and plug. You wire it together, you have an extension lead.

Why not with SWA or any other suitable cable?


Do you think BC could prosecute you for using it?

If you said to them "its an extension lead, its not fixed wiring" how could they argue that you had installed fixed wiring?

Unless it MUST be CE approved?????? Maybe thats the gotcha.

However the sets I am suggesting ARE CE marked.

 

[totallyspies]

And if it's intended to be fixed, and you don't fix it, then I am fairly sure that as a result of not following the manufacturers instructions you have invalidated the CE mark....

But not 100% certain then? If you can show me where it says something to that effect, then BAS, you got me!!!

 

[totallyspies]

Regaurdless. If you showed the BC man 2006/652 the part about working on preassembled sets, i'm sure he wouldnt even start to try and argue the toss.

 

[totallyspies]

Amendment of Schedule 2B (descriptions of work where no building notice or deposit of full plans required)

(c) pre-fabricated equipment sets and associated flexible leads with integral plug and socket connections."

In fact, it doesnt even mention CE approved, altough Part P document 2006 does?

However , as you know, Part p doc is only guidance. 652 , as you know is law. And that law says its legal to use the above without notifying. Thats my point.

 

[Steve]

(c) pre-fabricated equipment sets and associated flexible leads with integral plug and socket connections."

"pre-fabricated eqiupment sets" ¿que?

"associated flexible leads" SWA IS NOT A FLEXIBLE LEAD.

I expect the Armadillo set is notifiable, as the above seems only to apply to plug-in extension leads with FLEX. Armadillo is intended to be used as fixed wiring and does not have flexible cable. Worth a check with your building control to clear the matter up.

 

[totallyspies]

"pre-fabricated eqiupment sets" ¿que?

"associated flexible leads" SWA IS NOT A FLEXIBLE LEAD.

Yes it is. It is flexible, but not as flexible as flex.

I expect (your opinion) the Armadillo set is notifiable, as the above seems (your judgement) only to apply to plug-in extension leads with FLEX.

From SI 2006/652

"pre-fabricated equipment sets and associated flexible leads with integral plug and socket connections"

It makes no mention of degree of flexability.

Or that they should be made from FLEX.


Armadillo is intended to be used as fixed wiring and does not have flexible cable.


See above.

 

[Steve]

The term "flexible lead" refers to a type of cable called flex, which has stranded conductors and is used for non-fixed wiring - powering appliances and EXTENSION LEADS.

In this context (as the item you quoted was meant), SWA is NOT flexible. As it is only intended for FIXED installations.

One would not expect "flexible lead" to cover Twin and Earth and Steel Wire Armoured cable.

 

[totallyspies]

The term "flexible lead" refers to a type of cable called flex,


How do you know it is refering to that?

which has stranded conductors and is used for non-fixed wiring -

You mean like pendants dont use flex?
powering appliances and EXTENSION LEADS.

and many other things

In this context (as the item you quoted was meant), SWA is NOT flexible. As it is only intended for FIXED installations.

True it is intended for fixed wiring, but where does it say "Not legally to be used unfixed"?

One would not expect "flexible lead" to cover Twin and Earth and Steel Wire Armoured cable.

Well you may not expect it to, however, both are flexible. Which is the term refered to in the law.

 

[Steve]

Can someone back me up here please? In electrician talk, T+E and SWA are not generally classed as flexible cable. FLEX, however, is. Are there any regs or definitions that back this?

 

[totallyspies]

Can someone back me up here please?

In electrician talk,

Whats that exactly?


T+E and SWA are not generally classed as flexible cable. FLEX, however, is.


Yes, they maybe generally classed as such, but this has nothing to do with what the law (SI 2006/652) says reguarding use of the preassembled sets mentioned earlier.

Are there any regs or definitions that back this?

There are, i'm sure, various definitions and/or regulations describing flex and its possible uses and/or classification. But they do not define the law quoted above.