EU a clarification

[Notch7]

Whats BRINO? I can't be bothered to look, and don't like acronyms much anyway.

BRexit In Name Only

Sometimes called marshmallow Brexit

 

[^woody^]

Have any of those countries tried to unscramble themselves from the EU? They all have a 50 year head start on the UK.

That's why it has turned into a circus.

We should have just left with no deal, agree procedures for leaving only, don't pay any "divorce bill" and done a clean break. And the UK should have made that their initial stance in the negotiations.

Then we are in a much stronger position to negotiate any deal, because then, the EU and the workers making the goods and providing the services that the EU wants to trade with us, will demand that their bureaucrats actually get down and negotiate.

At the moment, the embarrassing way the UK (not just the UK Government) has handled itself, with all the bickering from all sides and unsupporting press, has put the EU in a stong negotiating position - a position that they would not have held based purely on what they had to offer.

This is all fundamental negotiating stuff. But the UK's position has been constantly underminded by the remoaners who have failed to accept the very fact that the UK is leaving the EU. Their attitude alone, more than anything else has considerably weaked the UK's postion. And IMO, any bad deal, even any compromise deal that is agreed, is on the back of all that remoaner bickering - and they need to accept responsibility and for that.

This is the UK negotiating with the EU, and it is disappointing to see others within the UK undermining the UK's negotiating position.

 

[durhamplumber]

Whats BRINO? I can't be bothered to look, and don't like acronyms much anyway.

The point is though, just look at all the prosperous countries trading with the EU and each other. The way JD crows on its like it is the end of the world, and he forgets that people want to trade. Always have always will.

Tell the remoaners that,,they believe all the crap dished out by EU officials

 

[Yafo]

That's why it has turned into a circus.

We should have just left with no deal, agree procedures for leaving only, don't pay any "divorce bill" and done a clean break. And the UK should have made that their initial stance in the negotiations.

Then we are in a much stronger position to negotiate any deal, because then, the EU and the workers making the goods and providing the services that the EU wants to trade with us, will demand that their bureaucrats actually get down and negotiate.

At the moment, the embarrassing way the UK (not just the UK Government) has handled itself, with all the bickering from all sides and unsupporting press, has put the EU in a stong negotiating position - a position that they would not have held based purely on what they had to offer.

This is all fundamental negotiating stuff. But the UK's position has been constantly underminded by the remoaners who have failed to accept the very fact that the UK is leaving the EU. Their attitude alone, more than anything else has considerably weaked the UK's postion. And IMO, any bad deal, even any compromise deal that is agreed, is on the back of all that remoaner bickering - and they need to accept responsibility and for that.

This is the UK negotiating with the EU, and it is disappointing to see others within the UK undermining the UK's negotiating position.

An utter load of nonsense.

If the referendum had been a choice of strategies and/or options, you might have had a case.

The problem is though that you voted and got a result. But nobody knew what was voted for, and what should or should not happen. Or what the result meant.

The remain side was easy. The brexit side, not so. As you all know, you cant even agree on here, what you do or don't want.

But the still amazing thing is that even though nobody can tell us what we are getting, or why, they can't even provide any advantages or benefits. The nearest we get is a load of wooly nothing comments and lots of negatives, but not what is wanted, or why. But you all knew exactly what you voted for. The real truth, as is coming out, is that you hadn't got a clue what you voted FOR. It was just a protest vote. It is like voting to ban driving licences, with no idea how to sort out what is needed instead.

If you don't know between you what you voted for, why is any remainer expected to understand?

 

[^woody^]

An utter load of nonsense.

If the referendum had been a choice of strategies and/or options, you might have had a case.

The problem is though that you voted and got a result. But nobody knew what was voted for, and what should or should not happen. Or what the result meant.

The remain side was easy. The brexit side, not so. As you all know, you cant even agree on here, what you do or don't want.

But the still amazing thing is that even though nobody can tell us what we are getting, or why, they can't even provide any advantages or benefits. The nearest we get is a load of wooly nothing comments and lots of negatives, but not what is wanted, or why. But you all knew exactly what you voted for. The real truth, as is coming out, is that you hadn't got a clue what you voted FOR. It was just a protest vote. It is like voting to ban driving licences, with no idea how to sort out what is needed instead.

If you don't know between you what you voted for, why is any remainer expected to understand?

The referendum was to leave the EU, not to be bound by the EU regualtions, and not to have to accept open borders.

To be just like any other country not in the EU.

That's pretty clear. Why do you find that so difficult?

 

[JohnD]

The referendum was to leave the EU,


not to be bound by the EU regualtions,


and not to have to accept open borders.

Only one of the three things you mention was included in the referendum.

Are you under the impression that we will not follow EU regulations from 1st April?

Are you under the impression that we are currently obliged to have Open Borders?

Wrong on both counts.

 

[^woody^]

Only one of the three things you mention was included in the referendum.

Are you under the impression that we will not follow EU regulations from 1st April?

Are you under the impression that we are currently obliged to have Open Borders?

Wrong on both counts.

1/4/19 is when the UK formally leaves.

Only a fool would beleive that on that day everything instantly alters. The wiser understand the need for a transition period where necessary.

Existing EU regulations become enshrined in UK law. New ones wont, the UK will make it's own regulations.

BTW, the referendum was to leave the EU. All those things I mentioned are included in that process.

 

[ellal]

All those things I mentioned are included in that process.

But not mentioned before the vote!

1/4/19 is when the UK formally leaves.

Actually it is 11pm GMT on March 29th 2019

Can't even get the date right, let alone the facts

 

[motorbiking]

Its a weak argument to say we have/had the ability to get rid of burdensome EU nationals when they have the infinite ability to exercise their right to free movement. I support free movement of workers, where there is a requirement to contribute and a criteria for acceptability. It falls apart when the EUs new member states exports their low skilled, low paid, high maintenance workers to the land of free money and benefits.

 

[ellal]

Its a weak argument to say we have/had the ability to get rid of burdensome EU nationals when they have the infinite ability to exercise their right to free movement.

Wrong!

Freedom of movement is different to freedom of entitlement.

It falls apart when the EUs new member states exports their low skilled, low paid, high maintenance workers to the land of free money and benefits.

Which land is that?

Oh that's right, the land that is full of indigenous 'low skilled, low paid, high maintenance non-workers'!

You it seems place too much reliance on the Daily Fail rants

 

[EFLImpudence]

Your argument falls down when you say:

Its a weak argument to say we have/had the ability to get rid of burdensome EU nationals when they have the infinite ability to exercise their right to free movement.

then

I support free movement of workers, where there is a requirement to contribute and a criteria for acceptability.

when that has been the actual situation all along.

and

It falls apart when the EUs new member states exports their low skilled, low paid, high maintenance workers

Similar was argued last night on Question Time, also without admitting that Britain really NEEDS low-skilled people as well.

to the land of free money and benefits.

It is NOT the EU which decided Britain should be that - if indeed it is.

 

[JohnD]

Only a fool would beleive that on that day everything instantly alters.

Yes indeed, any sensible person would want to have agreed terms, treaties and deals well beforehand, to avoid a catastrophic, cliff-edge "leave."

You will be shocked to learn that such fools do exist, and claim to be happy with the prospect of a "no-deal" Brexit.

Such fools are a danger to the country.

 

[durhamplumber]

An utter load of nonsense.

If the referendum had been a choice of strategies and/or options, you might have had a case.

The problem is though that you voted and got a result. But nobody knew what was voted for, and what should or should not happen. Or what the result meant.

The remain side was easy. The brexit side, not so. As you all know, you cant even agree on here, what you do or don't want.

But the still amazing thing is that even though nobody can tell us what we are getting, or why, they can't even provide any advantages or benefits. The nearest we get is a load of wooly nothing comments and lots of negatives, but not what is wanted, or why. But you all knew exactly what you voted for. The real truth, as is coming out, is that you hadn't got a clue what you voted FOR. It was just a protest vote. It is like voting to ban driving licences, with no idea how to sort out what is needed instead.

If you don't know between you what you voted for, why is any remainer expected to understand?

Absolutely true,no body on the planet new 100% what brexit means,still dont,,but we do not want to be In EU,,,fekin jeez you lot are thick.

 

[^woody^]

Yes indeed, any sensible person would want to have agreed terms, treaties and deals well beforehand, to avoid a catastrophic, cliff-edge "leave."

You will be shocked to learn that such fools do exist, and claim to be happy with the prospect of a "no-deal" Brexit.

Such fools are a danger to the country.

You are one of the fools if you thought that everything would be agreed and sorted out by the time we leave. It was never even promoted as such either.

 

[EFLImpudence]

That's a strange thing to say - to put it mildly.

I doubt he did, seeing as he doesn't want to leave.