EU unhappy with astrazeneca

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Yet france blocked a shipment of PPE to the UK, later released. Both Austria and Switzerland had to make diplomatic complaints about Germany refusing to release shipments of PPE. All within your beloved EU.

Within days the EU had moved to defuse the problem:

In response to the German Order, on March 15, 2020, the European Union ("EU") imposed EU-wide export restrictions on the PPE
The exportation outside the EU of such items, whether originating in the EU or elsewhere, is subject to an export authorization. Without such an authorization, exportation is prohibited.
https://www.mayerbrown.com/en/persp...trictions-on-medical-and-protective-equipment
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I trust you will note that the export of such equipment was controlled, not blocked.
Switzerland is, by their choice not in the EU. They are therefore subject to the same status any other third country. The EU is not responsible for their choice.

As for your reference to diplomatic efforts, I'll repeat, assertions made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

bobby wont believe you,

he's suddenly turned into trump spouting "fake news" at everything he disagrees with

Your claim that it was a diplomatic issue was obviously and demonstrably fake news.

 

[EddieM]

The dates for delivery and the amounts conveniently redacted.

Convenient for whom? The redacted contract was published by the EU.

 

[ajohn]

The dates for delivery and the amounts conveniently redacted.

No prices. It clearly states that AZ shall use all EU production sites and the UK site to fulfil it's obligations - those being met to the best of their abilities.. They also say they have put money into upgrading the UK site. No doubt they can prove that too.

What they are probably after is evening out future supplies. That being the EU. Member states might do their own thing. They also suspect that bidding wars are happening - ie supplies going to countries that are paying more. They might be. It's interesting to look at some oil rich state's vaccination rates. Israel is being used as a test bed and I doubt if any would argue with that.

Then where does Pfizer figure. It has a plant that is shut to upgrade. I've not heard anything about it firing up again so far.

Face masks etc - they did it because companies were profiteering. What do you expect. AZ may be too. Part of the reason for countries getting into that one was a cheap easily used vaccine for world wide use with very low profit margins. That's why they went the live virus route rather than mRNA.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Convenient for whom? The redacted contract was published by the EU.

Did you miss my comment ealrier today, when I reported that discussions were underway for publishing the contract and about which items were to be redacted?
The EU could only publish the contract document with the permission of and under the conditions imposed by AZ.

 

[sxturbo]

Your claim that it was a diplomatic issue was obviously and demonstrably fake news.

It was held under orders of the French and German governments.

Discussion had to be had between them to release the goods, whether it was high level diplomats or low level customs clearance, it doesn't matter, discussions were still had between the 2 parties, it was all sorted in a couple of hours.

 

[Lower]

Your claim that it was a diplomatic issue was obviously and demonstrably fake news.

I'm afraid you're wrong on that Bobby Trump.

'Austria’s economy minister demanded her German counterpart order the release of supplies destined for her country.'

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-backlash-from-neighbors-over-mask-export-ban

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

It was held under orders of the French and German governments.

Discussion had to be had between them to release the goods, whether it was high level diplomats or low level customs clearance, it doesn't matter, discussions were still had between the 2 parties, it was all sorted in a couple of hours.

The fact that it was sorted without diplomatic interference means tjhat it was not a diplomatic issue. Therefore your comment was fake news.

The EU moved within days to resolve the whole issue:

Within days the EU had moved to defuse the problem:

In response to the German Order, on March 15, 2020, the European Union ("EU") imposed EU-wide export restrictions on the PPE
The exportation outside the EU of such items, whether originating in the EU or elsewhere, is subject to an export authorization. Without such an authorization, exportation is prohibited.
https://www.mayerbrown.com/en/persp...trictions-on-medical-and-protective-equipment
​

I trust you will note that the export of such equipment was controlled, not blocked.
Switzerland is, by their choice not in the EU. They are therefore subject to the same status any other third country. The EU is not responsible for their choice.

As for your reference to diplomatic efforts, I'll repeat, assertions made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

 

[sxturbo]

The fact that it was sorted without diplomatic interference means tjhat it was not a diplomatic issue. Therefore your comment was fake news.

The EU moved within days to resolve the whole issue:

Well that's contradiction.

Wasn't diplomatic, but diplomats (EU) fixed it..

 

[EddieM]

Did you miss my comment ealrier today, when I reported that discussions were underway for publishing the contract and about which items were to be redacted?
The EU could only publish the contract document with the permission of and under the conditions imposed by AZ.

Well I'm pretty sure AZ and the EU would have agreed to those conditions. I very much doubt AZ did much "imposing".

 

[sxturbo]

Well I'm pretty sure AZ and the EU would have agreed to those conditions. I very much doubt AZ did much "imposing".

Bobby hasn't a clue.

He can't say who asked for what redaction

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

I'm afraid you're wrong on that Bobby Trump.

'Austria’s economy minister demanded her German counterpart order the release of supplies destined for her country.'

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-backlash-from-neighbors-over-mask-export-ban

Hardly a diplomatic issue within EU countries. And resolved within days by the EU.

All within your beloved EU.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Bobby hasn't a clue.

He can't say who asked for what redaction

Neither can you.
What does that suggest, that you are resorting to strawman arguments.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Well I'm pretty sure AZ and the EU would have agreed to those conditions. I very much doubt AZ did much "imposing".

As AZ were the ones that imposed the NDA, I suspect that they would have to give their permission for the publishing of the contract, and therefore under their conditions. Obviously, in order to publish that contract EU would have to agree to their conditions.

 

[sxturbo]

Neither can you.
What does that suggest, that you are resorting to strawman arguments.

My point being we don't know.

You clearly stated that AZ were imposing restrictions.

Come on Bobby trump