EU unhappy with astrazeneca

[securespark]

Hey, I'm not agreeing with them, just reporting what they said to make the point about moral duty to other countries.

 

[Brigadier]

Hey, I'm not agreeing with them, just reporting what they said to make the point about moral duty to other countries.

Eh?

You dont agree with them, but you're making the point about moral duty to other countries?

So, you don't agree with them but, on the other hand, you do agree with them?

 

[ajohn]

BBC or C4 as usual but BBC straight EU announcements some comments on C4 that didn't disagree and were not even emotive. On first come first served the lady said this is a pandemic which is rather different to buying something from the butchers. I was impressed, she hesitated briefly before saying that so might have been off the cuff.

The some of ours coming from the EU is a seems but bear in mind all of the comments of the amount ordered never arrives it's always less. I'd be critical of the makers personally as it sounds like up scaling comes after it's in use when they have been paid loads of money and could probably have obtained even more. Pfizer for instance shutting a plant down to do just that. UK politics said yonks ago that they were going to prepare to make it even before they knew that the AZ one was ok. Political speal so who knows what that means. This was about the time we had this amazing testing capacity but didn't. The UK AZ man has been on the box a couple of times being asked about supply and is always evasive.

The EU's main point really is 300 what ever it was euro's put in and not getting a proportional share and that they will be checking what exits the EU. Fair enough really. UK getting in early is another matter entirely. We did. Spilt milk no comments at all on that. It's yet another loads of speal and what actually happens is far more important.

Why were they delayed. Probably similar to the USA when Trump said all of it is a state problem. Too many cooks. I suspect all EU countries have their own approval bodies. Our lot are cavalier. Seems a Canadian state will be doing what we are. The evidence is ~1000 people who didn't get their 2nd Moderna jab and pure logic in that 1 dose will do something pretty quickly for lots of people who are more at risk and they will be getting their 2nd dose in under 12 weeks. That's loosely what JVT has said. I assume antibody testing has been monitored on people anyway up to and past the stated dose period. He also said that "immunity" doesn't suddenly fall of a cliff edge and effectively that people will still need to avoid catching it. Nothing new about that but gov gets the options and gov makes the decisions.

 

[securespark]

Brig I'm not sure where the misunderstanding is.

I am saying the EU are being hypocritical: on the one hand saying we have a moral duty to supply the EU, but not other countries.
As I said, until the whole globe is jabbed, we're not out of the woods.

 

[EddieM]

I'd imagine that no one here has seen the AZ contracts. If as has been said AZ are contractually obliged to deliver 100m doses to the UK and contractually obliged to deliver doses to the EU (ROW?) on a best endeavours basis, then that's what they're contractually obliged to do.

Needless to say, like everyone else on here I've not seen the contracts, so that might not be the case.

 

[durhamplumber]

but the EU's wording is very much like that of a spoilt child.

""A great advert for brexit""

 

[IT Minion]

""A great advert for brexit""

Every time I see that many quotation marks I wonder if it's a very subtle SQL injection attack.

 

[durhamplumber]

Every time I see that many quotation marks I wonder if it's a very subtle SQL injection attack.

I do not do "subtle".Sorry a few exclamation marks un-nerve you so much.All this crap over Germany..Brussels .etc really highlights why we are way better off out of EU.

 

[motorbiking]

'Only best efforts' is an oxymoron.

Best efforts means that you'll do everything except break your own company trying to do it. I used to make that mistake too, although I expect AZs lawyers didn't.

https://gowlingwlg.com/en/insights-...est-reasonable-and-all-reasonable-endeavours/

While in English Law there isn't much difference between best efforts and the more common term best endeavours (with lots of case law) it is definitely one of the deadly sins that no legal team would allow. I suspect they also did not agree a "time of the essence" contract either, which also obliges delivery on time or be ready with big damages.

 

[IT Minion]

While in English Law there isn't much difference between best efforts and the more common term best endeavours (with lots of case law) it is definitely one of the deadly sins that no legal team would allow. I suspect they also did not agree a "time of the essence" contract either, which also obliges delivery on time or be ready with big damages.

I was educated quite patiently and in depth on the topic after I misused it in a contract once.

 

[ajohn]

All contracts may be best endeavour if one is. Why would a company use anything else if they aren't sure they can meet demand and the contracts are binding.

Smells a bit to me so best answer is to wait and see what happens as that is the aspect that matters. Blame will be cast elsewhere if there is any cause for it by any of the countries concerned.

Some in the EU might feel that they should do a USA and put a block on all exports to the UK, everything. Probably people within their populations if things go badly for them some pundits would join in. Crazy - yes. The USA bought up all stocks of an antiviral that helps. Seems to be around here now but how much. Others are being looked at. Any country might do that if they can with things that are made in their territory. The EU's first comment on this was "wondering" if stocks were going to countries that were paying more for it. Hence wanting to see what went were. If correct zero profit doses are less important than ones with profit.

 

[Lower]

EU are really doubling down. They sent the EU medicine regulator into the Belgian factory that causing all the trouble to see if AZ's explanation of low production is true. I'd love to know how a bunch of EU officials think they're going to work that out by 'raiding' the factory.

They think AZ has been sending EU produced vaccine to the UK and are going to publish the contract they have with AZ.

Talk about airing your dirty washing in public....

 

[EddieM]

EU are really doubling down. They sent the EU medicine regulator into the Belgian factory that causing all the trouble to see if AZ's explanation of low production is true. I'd love to know how a bunch of EU officials think they're going to work that out by 'raiding' the factory.

They think AZ has been sending EU produced vaccine to the UK and are going to publish the contract they have with AZ.

Talk about airing your dirty washing in public....

I guess they should pull their fingers out and approved it for use. Regardless of contracts etc, the EU have screwed up here.

 

[Brigadier]

They sent the EU medicine regulator into the Belgian factory that causing all the trouble to see if AZ's explanation of low production is true. I'd love to know how a bunch of EU officials think they're going to work that out by 'raiding' the factory.

Shame they weren't so quick off the blocks, and didn't hot-foot it off to Wuhan to have a mooch around.

 

[ajohn]

Some are off with the fairies. As I said wait until something actually happens.