Even worse than it looks

[mickyg]

labour create 1 million pointless state funded jobs

so 1,000,000 X the average wage of what 23k?

X 13 years =£299,000,000,000

so thats a start

how do you like my economics, reckon I'd get a job in whitehall?

Are you suggesting that those million people should pay back all the money they received? That would be difficult. The best you could do is save £23 billion a year from now on.

In any case a good 30% or more of their wages is just money circulating through government departments. The Treasury pays someone £23K, from which money is deducted for tax and national insurance. This money eventually ends back at the Treasury, so the real cost of the clerk is may be £15K and the gross saving about £15 billion

You have also forgotten the cost of making all those people redundant - redundancy pay, unemployment benefit, council tax benefit, housing benefit etc etc. That could easily be £10 billion a year, so your net saving is £5 billion a year.

So that's where the £6 billion saving is coming from.

I wasn't suggesting a fix! You mis-understood the post, read the OP
The question was raised "where did it go?" and that explains some of it.
If the question was "how do we get it back?" the answer is "no fu%&ing idea, we're fu%$ed"
Obviously hit a nerve though, so what pointless state funded position do you hold?

 

[joe-90]

Here's a little story that will warm the cockles of your hearts and is of some relevance.

We currently rent out rooms in my deceased parents' house in London. One of the occupants is a single Polish mother who has never worked in the UK

If you cared about the situation you would not be making money out of these parasites. If you think what she is doing is wrong why do you give her accomodation and make money out of it?

We inherited her as a tenant when my parents died - I assume you're unlikely to attack the dead.

Anyway, if not us, then someone else would "snap her up" and a damned less scrupulously too (she pays well under the market rate for an all-inclusive flat). I'd get rid of her tomorrow if she didn't have children - I couldn't do it to them, to be honest.

Give her a one-way Easy Jet ticket.

 

[dextrous]

Give her a one-way Easy Jet ticket.

There's no need to be unpleasant to her kiddies

 

[joe-90]

What's unpleasant in returning her to her homeland?

 

[larco]

Anyway, if not us, then someone else would "snap her up" and a damned less scrupulously too (she pays well under the market rate for an all-inclusive flat). I'd get rid of her tomorrow if she didn't have children - I couldn't do it to them, to be honest.

we are too soft. I can assure you that foreigners are not treated very well in the likes of Poland, Romania etc etc especially if they are not white.

 

[dextrous]

What's unpleasant in returning her to her homeland?

Her kids would be destitute (no family there by all accounts), and easyjet is an unecessarily harsh way of returning them to the motherland.

we are too soft. I can assure you that foreigners are not treated very well in the likes of Poland, Romania etc etc especially if they are not white.

True - but what can I do. Could you turf her kids out so easily?

All this is academic anyway, since border controls were dropped through our obligations to the EU.

 

[larco]

All this is academic anyway, since border controls were dropped through our obligations to the EU.

it is not academic because the government decided to drop border controls and not the EU. It is easy for politicians to blame the EU when they make the wrong choices. For example in France Italy and Spain you cannot have access to healthcare unless you have worked for a number of months. You have buy a an insurance that covers you for private healthcare for a certain period of time. All of these countries are part of the EU.

 

[Norcon]

My mate turfed out a single mum and her two children unto the street from a house he had rented.

He waited until they had went shopping and moved in with another burly chap and changed the locks.
She arrived back and called the police. But she didn't get back in.
She had 6 months of unpaid rent behind her. Her dragon parasitic Mum dragged him to court but he won. Just!

 

[dextrous]

All this is academic anyway, since border controls were dropped through our obligations to the EU.

it is not academic because the government decided to drop border controls and not the EU. It is easy for politicians to blame the EU when they make the wrong choices. For example in France Italy and Spain you cannot have access to healthcare unless you have worked for a number of months. You have buy a an insurance that covers you for private healthcare for a certain period of time. All of these countries are part of the EU.

In which case I am happy to be corrected.

 

[chainsaw_masochist]

Here's a little story that will warm the cockles of your hearts and is of some relevance.

We currently rent out rooms in my deceased parents' house in London. One of the occupants is a single Polish mother who has never worked in the UK and whose ex-husband (father of first child) and the other father of her second child are nowhere to be seen (think they are back in Poland) and not making any financial contribution towards her nor the children. The council pay for her (extremely reasonable) rent, and other allowances for her and her children to live reasonably comfortably. Any little jobs she has for the neighbours - bit of cleaning now and again are not declared, and she can afford to smoke about 20 cigs a day.

She recently told one of her friends in Poland (who was struggling to bring up her own single parent children) that she should come to the UK since we are so generous with our social care.

Thought you'd like my little anecdote

Dextrous, where's your inner Melissa Jacobs? Just flog your little story to the MoS.

 

[geraint]

Joe 90's predictions are correct.
The debt mountain will snowball despite any cuts the Tories will make. Its too late.
There's a financial tsunami on the horizion and whilst nu labour have greatly contributed to its phenomenomal force many other influencing factors were to blame also.

and what were they then.. and PLEASE dont say GLOBAL...

The crisis of credit and peoples GREED.

NO the governments PRUDENCE as he called it. he did not make hay when the sun shone.... proved that they are and will always be amateurs in the real world... unless of course its their pockets...

 

[dextrous]

My mate turfed out a single mum and her two children unto the street from a house he had rented.

He waited until they had went shopping and moved in with another burly chap and changed the locks.
She arrived back and called the police. But she didn't get back in.
She had 6 months of unpaid rent behind her. Her dragon parasitic Mum dragged him to court but he won. Just!

In our case, she is thinking of getting engaged to some bloke she is in the process of entrapping. In fact, she may well be pregnant (again) - which means that she will have to leave our house since the new arrival(s) would take us over the permitted number of occupants as indicated on our HMO licence. We will have a legal obligation to see to her removal, by the council's own rules. Interesting, eh?

 

[Norcon]

I can envisage the council rehousing her and siblings somewhere bigger and better at the taxpayers expense.

 

[dextrous]

I can envisage the council rehousing her and siblings somewhere bigger and better at the taxpayers expense.

Me too.

 

[geraint]

My mate turfed out a single mum and her two children unto the street from a house he had rented.

He waited until they had went shopping and moved in with another burly chap and changed the locks.
She arrived back and called the police. But she didn't get back in.
She had 6 months of unpaid rent behind her. Her dragon parasitic Mum dragged him to court but he won. Just!

In our case, she is thinking of getting engaged to some bloke she is in the process of entrapping. In fact, she may well be pregnant (again) - which means that she will have to leave our house since the new arrival(s) would take us over the permitted number of occupants as indicated on our HMO licence. We will have a legal obligation to see to her removal, by the council's own rules. Interesting, eh?

what is HMO and what legal obligation do you have. surely you can only be stating half the facts...