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[gant]

I care.

And who cares about you caring?

 

[Roy Bloom]

Italian PM neo-fascist?!?!
What a plonker!

You are trying to deny the blatantly obvious.

The government of Giorgia Meloni, Italy’s first female prime minister and leader of a party with neo-fascist origins, has been sworn in.

Far-right leader Giorgia Meloni sworn in as Italy’s prime minister

Meloni took the oath of office as Italy’s first female PM at the presidential palace on Saturday

www.theguardian.com

Giorgia Meloni, whose political party with neo-fascist roots secured the most votes in Italy’s national election last month, was sworn in Saturday as the country’s first far-right premier since the end of World War II.

Far-right leader Giorgia Meloni sworn in as Italy's prime minister

Giorgia Meloni, whose political party with neo-fascist roots secured the most votes in Italy's national election last month, was sworn in Saturday as the country's first far-right premier since the end of World War II

www.pbs.org

Her rise to power at the head of the party she founded has been meteoric, but Giorgia Meloni has been politically active since she was a teenage activist in a neo-fascist party's youth wing in Rome.

Who is Giorgia Meloni? The rise to power of Italy's new far-right PM

Politically active since she was a teenager, she has come to power partly by fortune.

www.bbc.com

Ms Meloni is widely expected to form Italy's most right-wing government since World War Two.
she leads a party rooted in a post-war movement that rose out of dictator Benito Mussolini's fascists.

Giorgia Meloni: Italy's far-right wins election and vows to govern for all

Giorgia Meloni is set to lead a right-wing coalition as Italy's first female PM.

www.bbc.com

She ... is set to form the most right-wing government Italy has seen in decades.
suggests the allure of nationalism remains undimmed in Italy
She got her political start in the movement Youth Front, a political organization with fascist roots.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/22/europe/giorgia-meloni-italy-new-prime-minister-intl-cmd/index.html

How much proof do you need?

 

[gant]

You are trying to deny the blatantly obvious.

Far-right leader Giorgia Meloni sworn in as Italy’s prime minister

Meloni took the oath of office as Italy’s first female PM at the presidential palace on Saturday

www.theguardian.com

Far-right leader Giorgia Meloni sworn in as Italy's prime minister

Giorgia Meloni, whose political party with neo-fascist roots secured the most votes in Italy's national election last month, was sworn in Saturday as the country's first far-right premier since the end of World War II

www.pbs.org

Who is Giorgia Meloni? The rise to power of Italy's new far-right PM

Politically active since she was a teenager, she has come to power partly by fortune.

www.bbc.com

Giorgia Meloni: Italy's far-right wins election and vows to govern for all

Giorgia Meloni is set to lead a right-wing coalition as Italy's first female PM.

www.bbc.com

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/22/europe/giorgia-meloni-italy-new-prime-minister-intl-cmd/index.html

How much proof do you need?

Proof about what? That Italians who voted for her are racist by association?
You heard what a lot of those that voted for herare saying, get your Google fingers going on that one instead of thrashing about like a fish out of water

 

[Roy Bloom]

******, you smeared all Italians that voted for her as racists by association.

What do you call constituents who vote for a racist candidate?
You did say there were other reasons for their vote, and I asked you what reasons are there. You've yet to answer.

I said that Italians are capable of being racist. Johnny2007 is Italian and he's a racist. There's your proof.
Italians have elected a racist leader on at least two occasions. What more proof could there be.
These are all historical facts.

You obviously don't think people have the intellect to differentiate between political parties mandates.

You clearly don't.

There's different reasons why people vote for different parties

I did ask you what other reasons were there. You have yet to provide other reasons.
So in the absence of your other reasons, my assertion stands.

but I can see why you'd throw out the racist card which is losing its impact as more and more people can see right through it as a means to shut down debate.

And you make silly claims then can't provide any information, any data, any links, any argument to support your silly claims.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Proof about what? That Italians who voted for her are racist by association?

Are you suggetsing that the Italians that voted for her were not aware of her neo-fascist politics?
Are you suggetsing that the Italians that elected Mussolini were not aware of his political leanings?

You heard what a lot of those that voted for her are saying,

Nope, nothing yet. Can you show me?

get your Google fingers going on that one instead of thrashing about like a fish out of water

You suggested there were other reasons, so I expect ypou to know what those other reasons are.
Please don't fob me off with "go look for yourself".
You made the claim, I expect you to provide the reasons.

 

[gant]

You not think they do tactical voting in Italy or do you want it spelling out the bleeding obvious.
Do you not think some of the voters wanted to put a rocket up all the parties ar*ses and she was the mostly likely candidate to just do that and it worked.
Again the bleedin obvious but your oblivious to that way of thinking.

 

[Roy Bloom]

You not think they do tactical voting in Italy or do you want it spelling out the bleeding obvious.

So by tactical voting they elected a neo-fascist PM?
Is that what you are saying? Do you have any proof of that?

Do you not think some of the voters wanted to put a rocket up all the parties ar*ses and she was the mostly likely candidate to just do that and it worked.

So they voted for a neo-fascist leader because they were discontent with the previous leader? Any proof?

Again the bleedin obvious but your oblivious to that way of thinking.

If you have any proof of your claims, I'll agree it was bleedin obvious.
However if you have no proof, I'll expect you to offer a grovelling apology.

 

[gant]

Nope, nothing yet. Can you show me?

That she's a stooge? You think that doesn't happen.

 

[gant]

So by tactical voting they elected a neo-fascist PM?
Is that what you are saying? Do you have any proof of that?


So they voted for a neo-fascist leader because they were discontent with the previous leader? Any proof?


If you have any proof of your claims, I'll agree it was bleedin obvious.
However if you have no proof, I'll expect you to offer a grovelling apology.

I'll just take that as your clueless.
You know what her latest wheeze is.
All these boat people coming into Italy are not Italy's problem but the EUs.

 

[Roy Bloom]

You not think they do tactical voting in Italy or do you want it spelling out the bleeding obvious.

In a tactical vote, you don't vote for someone who you don't agree with their policies.
And he policies were loud and clear prior to the election:

Giorgia Meloni, the hard-right leader who was sworn in as Italy’s first female prime minister on Saturday, won the election on a campaign built around a promise to block migrant ships and support for traditional “family values” and anti-LGBTQ themes.

Hardly a tactical vote to vote for a hard-right neo-fascist leader.
In addition the pervious PM resigned after losing a confidence vote, so the electorate then voting for a far-right neo-fascist is hardly a tactical vote. If Italians did not want a far-right neo-fascist leader they should have tactically voted for another candidate.
So that's your theory sunk with all hands.

Do you not think some of the voters wanted to put a rocket up all the parties ar*ses and she was the mostly likely candidate to just do that and it worked.

So they elected a far-right neo-fascist leader to frighten the other parties.
Do you not think that Italians especially would be wary of electing a far-right leader who then might then dismiss the rest of the government?
That would leave him or her to govern as a dictator, a fascist or neo-fascist dictator.

That's your other theory sunk with all hands.

 

[Roy Bloom]

I'll just take that as your clueless.

You still can't think of any sensible reasons that Italians would elect a far-right neo-fascist PM, other than her racist policies?

 

[gant]

Your so consumed by your own f*cked up thinking that you can't see the wood for the trees aka timewaster.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Your so consumed by your own f*cked up thinking that you can't see the wood for the trees aka timewaster.

You still can't think of a sensible reason why Italians would vote for a far-right neo-fascist PM other than her racist policies.
So you resort to being abusive.
Is there some disease or contagious condition going round DIYnot, where anyone who reaches their limit of sensible discussion resorts to abuse?

 

[rideforever]

Meloni is being wined and dined by the usual puppet masters and Blair-Gates psychopaths.
As for this racist thing .... if I am not mistaken all the countries of the world are filled with their own people, same like with the animals ... so I assume racism is universal and required for everyone. Or rather survival and racism are the same thing.
No ?

 

[Roy Bloom]

Meloni is being wined and dined by the usual puppet masters and Blair-Gates psychopaths.

Another conspiracy theorist. That's all we need.

As for this racist thing .... if I am not mistaken all the countries of the world are filled with their own people, same like with the animals ... so I assume racism is universal and required for everyone. Or rather survival and racism are the same thing.
No ?

How can racism be a survival policy?
If it creates conflict, there can only be the continuation of the strongest. And there will have been tremendous damage and destruction along the way. That;s not a survival mechanism, that's a domination mechanism.
Domination does not equate with survival.