Expanded ULEZ

[motorbiking]

If you'd rather keep on driving around London and coughing up a lung, go ahead; otherwise...

Analysis of data gathered using cutting-edge methodology – including detailed satellite images and measurements from more than 1,400 ground monitoring stations – reveals a dire picture of dirty air, with 98% of people living in areas with highly damaging fine particulate pollution that exceed World Health Organization guidelines. Almost two-thirds live in areas where air quality is more than double the WHO’s guidelines.

Some towns and cities across Europe, including London and Milan, are making strides to tackle air pollution, from the introduction of ultra-low emissions zones to traffic reduction schemes and walking and cycling initiatives. But experts say politicians must act with more urgency in light of the growing evidence of harm.

The data was compiled by academics at Utrecht University in the Netherlands and the Swiss Tropical and Public Health Institute as part of the EU-funded Expanse project. They used a combination of sources, from high-resolution satellite data to pollution monitoring stations and information about land use, to model annual average PM2.5 levels across Europe in 2019.

Breathe@theGrundian

...in other news; the PM considers watering down Green initiatives in years to come.
Madness.

A coupe of points to consider:
- The population of London is actually in decline
- TfL's own Pollution map doesn't really support the ULEZ expansion https://www.londonair.org.uk/london...lat=51.5008010864&lon=-0.124632000923&zoom=11
- cars are getting cleaner, much cleaner and there are many pressures to move towards zero emission vehicles.

This is a tax on people who made purchasing decisions without any idea that the car which was identified as clean, efficient and reasonably environmentally friendly at the time, will subsequently be targeted.

People lawfully own their cars, they were not warned of the risk at the time of manufacturer/first purchase, so it is wrong to punish them for something they were not warned about at the time.

 

[motorbiking]

more lawful protesting

 

[denso13]

I'd expect nothing less from the WHO.

You don't want them to have air quality guidelines? Any in particular you think are problematic?

 

[gant]

Guidelines come at a price, is there enough money to go round, if not who pays the price?

 

[denso13]

uidelines come at a price, is there enough money to go round, if not who pays the price?

So no guidelines, just a free for all? I disagree with that.

 

[johnny2007]

Somehow with each and every crisis, the working class gets shafted.
Never, ever, one single decision about a crisis benefited the working class.
Let's remember that the working class is the engine of every nation; without it, there would be no wealth and the rich would soon be poor.

 

[gant]

How you jump to no guidelines and a free for all doesn't give much credit in understanding the situation.
Guidelines will always be just that guidelines, who are the influencers behind those guidelines is for another day.
The question is who are the ones most affected by sticking to these guidelines.
You could ask is this country shooting itself in the foot by being the number one leader on nett zero given our carbon emissions.
It's rather spurious to make out the governments concern on health grounds given the numbers dying daily due to maelstrom of problems with the NHS.

 

[denso13]

The question is who are the ones most affected by sticking to these guidelines.

Well, you said

I'd expect nothing less from the WHO.

What is wrong with these?

What are the WHO Air quality guidelines?

Improving health by reducing air pollution.

www.who.int

They protect some of the poorest people in society.

 

[gant]

Well, you said

What is wrong with these?

What are the WHO Air quality guidelines?

Improving health by reducing air pollution.

www.who.int

They protect some of the poorest people in society.

As has been witnessed before it's easy to pull the wool over your eyes.
Are the WHO going to finance the poorer section of society who are least able to finance these wish lists.

 

[motorbiking]

I'm a bit confused as to how charging someone £12.50 a day, protects them from poor air quality. Particularly given tfls own data.

 

[motorbiking]

and now the cameras have under cover security.. bit expensive

Mobile Ulez cameras now come with their own 'personal security

Footage was shared on social media this morning of an activist approaching a man and a woman parked by a van in London and asking if they were security.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[denso13]

Are the WHO going to finance the poorer section of society who are least able to finance these wish lists.

Reductions in air pollution are a benefit to society. That's a good thing.

 

[denso13]

bit expensive

And all coming out of the pockets of Londoners. Criminal damage has consequences.

 

[denso13]

As has been witnessed before it's easy to pull the wool over your eyes.

Any examples of this?

 

[securespark]

Guidelines come at a price, is there enough money to go round, if not who pays the price?

There has to be a balance. How do you propose to clean up the air in conurbations?