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Our industry, unfortunately, is plagued with folk claiming to be "Electricians" and sadly that kind of thing can happen in any walk of life too.

I do wonder sometimes if this might encourage some folk to disregard advise from some tradesmen and err on the side of taking advice from the "Real Experts" also known as a friend of a friend of a bloke down the pub ;)
 
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The advice on this forum, is worth exactly what you pay for the advice.

Yeah It's funny how people get the strop and complain they don't get the advice they want.....despite paying £0.00 for it.

Any advice is free so nobody should expect anything, but I have to say there are many professional tradesmen on here that give fantastic advise that is worth a lot.
 
Thev point I was making is that some people get someone in to (hopefully) get expert advice then prefer to rely on non expert advice if it fits in with what they thought in the first place (or if it saves them money).
I just could not claim that every person who gives advice is nessacarily correct.

I fact take this forum for example, I`m sure that most folk on here do attempt to give sound advice where possible.
I can not claim that I or anyone else is always right in every situation.

My Gt Grandad was locally famous as a long distance runner, he lived to 98 years of age.
He smoked a pipe quite a lot and a few cigarettes.
I`m sure that anyone who was advised by a GP to not smoke because it is unhealthy would not argue that it was Ok for my Gt Grandad so it must be OK for them.

My Gt Grandad just happened to be very lucky in this instance
 
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I fact take this forum for example, I`m sure that most folk on here do attempt to give sound advice where possible.
I can not claim that I or anyone else is always right in every situation.

Often very difficult to give advice, when the one asking for advice fails to provide the essential information (perhaps due to being none technical), in the first place. There are quite a few threads running at the moment, where this is clear.

Even when the poster does give all the info that is needed, it can still be difficult to diagnose from descriptions and photos - there are times, when you just cannot beat the MK1 eyeball, actually on the job.

Even if all of the above works out OK, it can be difficult to know the person askings, level of competence to deal with the replies they do receive.
 
Yes Agreed Harry, but, my point was, they ask your advice on something and its clear how what why etc but then once thet get your advice they disregard it purely to save costs or get around something they do not want to do and not because they or you have missunderstood.
 
There are also misunderstandings between the trades, note the current one, in regards to how a solenoid holds open a pilot gas valve, in the heating forum :)
 
The advice on this forum, is worth exactly what you pay for the advice.
I find it hard to believe that you really meant what you wrote, did you?

You surely don't believe that none of the advice offered on this forum is 'worth nothing anything' do you?

It's obviously the case that no-one can be certain that any of the advice they get here is sensible, or necessarily even correct (is that pwrhaps what you meant to write?) but I would suggest that the great majority of the advice is sensible, useful & correct, and certainly would not say that 'none of it is worth anything'!

Kind Regards, John
Edit: Crucial typo corrected, thanks to Detlef having noticed
 
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It's obviously the case that no-one can be certain that any of the advice they get here is sensible, or necessarily even correct (is that pwrhaps what you meant to write?) but I would suggest that the great majority of the advice is sensible, useful & correct, and certainly would not say that 'none of it is worth anything'!

No often the advice is worthy, but sometimes some of it can be completely worthless, but then - even paid for advice is often equally wrong. You pays your money and takes your chance.
 
No often the advice is worthy, but sometimes some of it can be completely worthless, but then - even paid for advice is often equally wrong. You pays your money and takes your chance.
Exactly - and that's "rather different" from suggesting that all the advice given here (or anywhere else) is 'worth nothing', isn't it?

Kind Regards, John
 
Yes agreed - advice on here is usually worthy, often priceless, all done with good intent (usually) so it is not worthless.

However, just like any advice on any subject by any orginjsation on any subject at all, it is not always 100%.
I would suggest that 90 to 99 percent of concencuss is usually the score range as your starter for ten.
 
If I look at the about for may of the people posting on this forum it tells me maybe how old they are and where in UK they live, I am sure there are some who do include their qualifications, but not many, we due to their answers tend to know which know what they are talking about, but only because we are also qualified. Even at work I have seldom needed to take in my qualifications, they may have looked at them in the interview, but seldom taken notes on what they are. Once one goes over level 3 one will have some letters behind ones name, however at least with mine they tell you very little as one can get same letters for many courses, so even if I include the letters, all it says is at some time I went to University, and I will admit what I learnt in Uni has very little bearing on my ability as an electrician.

It was so easy in the past to move to an allied trade, I did just that, started as a motor vehicle and bridge technician, and slowly made a sidewards move, with me while still doing my apprenticeship so I did do electrical courses in collage, but what I learnt in early 70's has little to do with what we need today, when was the last time anyone remembers topping up a dash pot, who even knows what they are?

I was sent on courses by my employer, and also did some on my own bat, and had to do a lot of reading to change for things like star/delta starters to soft starts and inverter drives, I have worked with auto transformer starters and resistor starters, but these have now long gone. Much of the design side was made easy with the use of PLC's and ASii, Probus etc. The whole trade has been transformed, and before I retired my lap top was my main tool.

I would do house bashing when I could not find an interesting well paid job, it was my fall back until around 2004 part P came in, it was simply not worth my while becoming a member of a scheme, not sure if being a member of the IET did much to help me either, but their lecturers were interesting and kept one up to date.

But I have kept an open mind, and have changed over time in view of modern innovations, the RCD for example, OK there were around in the 80's and replaced the old ELCB-v with TT supplies, but it was not until 2008 that they really started to be used for all new installations. Today we have the RDC and I am not really up to date with their use, however well aware of the problems with TN-C-S supplies.

But even before I retired we were seeing problems with 55-0-55 supplies using yellow bricks, the 64-0-64 from large three phase transformers would have overloads on the output as well as input, but the bricks were a real fire risk due to overload phase to earth being around the 42 amp mark before the 10 amp overload on input tripped.

Today it seems to be EV charging and hot tubs which are causing the problem, but how do you tell some one having a lead out of bedroom window to charge a car in the street is a problem. They have used patio heaters for years, they were class I so what is the diffrence? And I have a job explaining. I know the danger, but how to expain, to simply say don't use them is not going to work, people what to know why they should not use them, and if so dangerous why can we buy them?

And I can't explain why we are now having more reports of loss of PEN. But I no longer attend the IET leacturers. So at 72 should I stop posting? Am I past it? But most the people answering questions are around my age anyway. I know what I put in my about me, but don't know what others can read, do I seem to the non electrician to be some one who knows what he is talking about? po body is nerfect.
 
Indeed Po body is nerfect Eric and you make some good points here well done lad (When I say "Lad" I do not mean you are younger than me, in fact you are a little bit older, but the word lad around here is a matey knid of expression like pal, bud etc)
 
I am sure there are some who do include their qualifications, but not many, we due to their answers tend to know which know what they are talking about, but only because we are also qualified.

Were I expecting some payment, then I might be inclined to add some of my qualifications and experience, but as the help given is free - you get what you pay for :)
 

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