Farage Kent Coast discuss

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Common sense is useful at times.

IANANL but you can stop the boats we're talking about for a couple of reasons. Generally they're overloaded and not safe, they may not be obeying the rules of the road and under international law you are allowed to board vessels you believe are breaking local law.

Just on safety grounds alone the Navy and coast guard have good reason to intercept the boats before they get run down by s tanker.

As jonbey says, maybe it is simply not possible to provide sufficient deterrent to stop or even dissuade the refugees from attempting to cross the channel. Plus we do not know how many boats are stopped by the French.

"In the first 10 months of 2019 nearly 1,500 people have successfully crossed the English Channel to reach the UK illegally.​

The French authorities say they have intercepted just over 1,000.
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-engl...ts-fewer-than-half-of-boats-stopped-by-french
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Of course, the 1,500 people that crossed successfully are the ones that UK detected.
How many were undetected by France and UK?

 

[Notch7]

I think we know why they aren’t arrested in france

thats the problem: nobody wants these people, NIMBYism

but they have to go somewhere.
and thats the issue I have with Farage, he doesnt give a monkeys about the humanitarian aspect, he doesnt give a monkeys about solutions, all he wants its to get his right wing based enraged and screaming 'we dont want em here'

It is purely a publicity stunt for Farage, which I find pretty disgusting, because its trading on human suffering.

and no I dont have an answer -it probably needs serious international collaboration and a lot of money spent....neither of which is politically popular.

 

[fillyboy]

If the crew are people smugglers they obviously won't prepare a passage plan. But having a passage plan does not mean completing a formal document, or submit it anywhere, or even recording it in writing. For small vessels, simply an awareness of the environment is sufficient. Additionally, though it may be UK regulations for certain vessels over a certain size for UK registered vessels, foreign registered vessels need not abide by UK regulations.
The captain should make an assessment of the competence of his crew, (if he is following the SOLAS V requirements) he need not know the status of them. Quite obviously, making an assessment could result in the captain deciding that the crew have no competence, but he has made an assessment.

While an official document isn't required, a 'passage plan' is exactly that, not a 'state of mind'.
UK has always been relaxed insofar as no qualifications/licensing required, I did dayskipper and yachtmaster qualifications and was always dismayed that people could be let loose in a boat without any qualification/instruction.
It's much stricter in France and bordering countries, ICC is minimum, not sure what size boat can swerve below that requirement, but they were almost certainly breaking some French regulations.

 

[festive]

thats the problem: nobody wants these people, NIMBYism

but they have to go somewhere.
and thats the issue I have with Farage, he doesnt give a monkeys about the humanitarian aspect, he doesnt give a monkeys about solutions, all he wants its to get his right wing based enraged and screaming 'we dont want em here'

It is purely a publicity stunt for Farage, which I find pretty disgusting, because its trading on human suffering.

and no I dont have an answer -it probably needs serious international collaboration and a lot of money spent....neither of which is politically popular.

So... why aren't they collaborating internationally you've just admitted it! Doesn't it occur to you that's the point of frustration here, it's chucked at our door instead, and Nigel and SKY etc are highlighting this. Personally i respect people who are willing to stick their neck out and say it how it is.. it's not just Nigel, many other independent reporters.

Listen why is it ok for me to say i don't think Brits should be invading spoiling overcrowding Spanish coastline, but it's not ok for the same here. Why is it frowned up to fly the st george flag 'oh look another xenophobe' see what i mean its our governments way of fooling us into accepting cheap labour into the UK, they don't care about our culture its about our economy, and people like you fall for it hook line and stinker, see the spin i put there?

I stand by the fact i hate it we have homeless and poor UK citizens already, why is it people can just pick n chose what country they land in and expect to jump the queue over others here already suffering. Especially ex service men and women who are left out on a limb after fighting for our country.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

thats the problem … with Farage, he doesnt give a monkeys about the humanitarian aspect

Farage is there because he does give a monkey's.

He gives a monkey's for us, the British, who are under attack from outside and from within. He is one of the bravest men of today.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

not sure what size boat can swerve below that requirement, but they were almost certainly breaking some French regulations.

Does the UK 'advice' talk about 15 tons?

You seem to agree that the 'passage plan' is a bit of a red herring?


Also, when waiting to disembark from France on a ferry, there is anything from 10 to 50 small boats leaving the harbour each hour, depending on the weather, time of day, season, etc. And this is just one port!
Multiply that by the number of potential disembarking points for RHIBs, and the difficulty in detecting and apprehending such small craft, becomes evident.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

So... why aren't they collaborating internationally

Like the UK refusing to take their fair share of migrants.

Why aren't they collaborating, indeed?
I think you have answered your own question.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

why is it people can just pick n chose what country they land in and expect to jump the queue over others here already suffering.

What happened to your concern for people fleeing....now what was your phrase....something about IEDs exploding up their derriere?

 

[fillyboy]

Does the UK 'advice' talk about 15 tons?

UK always used to be based on length, if I recall correctly, boats under 8 or 10 metres would be exempt from many of the regs, don't know about France other than they were far stricter than UK.

Multiply that by the number of potential disembarking points for RHIBs, and the difficulty in detecting and apprehending such small craft, becomes evident.

Without doubt, and outside the harbour, there's a lot of open water.

 

[Notch7]

Farage is there because he does give a monkey's.

He gives a monkey's for us, the British, who are under attack from outside and from within. He is one of the bravest men of today.

Gee you are wierd.

and naive if you think Farage gives a monkeys about you.
the British are only under attack from this populist government.
Im not sure how you think a few penniless refugees are going to take over this country.

 

[Notch7]

Personally i respect people who are willing to stick their neck out and say it how it is.

So why are you sticking up for Farage

please point out where he has made any effort to campaign internationally to create a solution -you wont because he has no interest in that

Farages one and only interest is self promotion -its exactly the same MO as Tommy Robinson.

I stand by the fact i hate it we have homeless and poor UK citizens already, why is it people can just pick n chose what country they land in and expect to jump the queue over others here already suffering. Especially ex service men and women who are left out on a limb after fighting for our country

So tell me how Farage pointing out a few boats landing is going to achieve that.

oh and if you want to sort out the problem with the homeless and poor I suggest you look at the Tory govt policies over the last 10 years.
Do not use refugees as a convenient scapegoat.

So... why aren't they collaborating internationally you've just admitted it! Doesn't it occur to you that's the point of frustration here, it's chucked at our door instead

so the 3.6million Syrian refugees in Turkey arent a problem then, only the few hundred landing on our Kent coast

If the govt arent bothering to collaborate internationally then why arent you shouting at the govt -instead you are ranting on at the refugees.

you need to get your priorities right -Farage with a camera at the coast is not the solution

 

[festive]

What happened to your concern for people fleeing....now what was your phrase....something about IEDs exploding up their derriere?

No READ IT AGAIN when does exploding up their derriere(possibly not the best phrase to use if you or others here kick for the other side) warrant 'escaping a war torn country' 1000 upon 1000's of miles outside of said country 'to a safe place' warrant their need over others.

Shall i spell it out to you again?

What gives them the right to upsticks leave and settle anywhere round the world over a homeless suffering person in that country already in a settled country but homeless with no money etc. There first safe place should ideally be the best place to start. Yes i know legally they can do what they want, so can 'the caravan people' and look how lawless they are.

Do you understand gameshow sextoy?

My god how focused are you on your own opinion.

 

[festive]

So why are you sticking up for Farage

please point out where he has made any effort to campaign internationally to create a solution -you wont because he has no interest in that

Farages one and only interest is self promotion -its exactly the same MO as Tommy Robinson.


So tell me how Farage pointing out a few boats landing is going to achieve that.

oh and if you want to sort out the problem with the homeless and poor I suggest you look at the Tory govt policies over the last 10 years.
Do not use refugees as a convenient scapegoat.



so the 3.6million Syrian refugees in Turkey arent a problem then, only the few hundred landing on our Kent coast

If the govt arent bothering to collaborate internationally then why arent you shouting at the govt -instead you are ranting on at the refugees.

you need to get your priorities right -Farage with a camera at the coast is not the solution

Notch you're a hopeless case, i just said above also Farage is pointing out his frustration with our government it's not the refugees per se, if they knew the boats would be peppered with bullets bet you we wouldn't see many.

If we had squatters in a building near us, much as i would want squatters out (not racist but just not welcome) i would be equally annoyed if the authorities were not arranging planning to rehome or move these people elsewhere, isn't that logical?

I don't support Farage but i do support some of the issues he raises, like i said i support ANYONE who says what need to be said, we are such a fking doormat pushover country now to the point it's shamed to say English or fly the flag etc, capitalism is all about supporting the immigrants cheap labour welcome it all here to the UK it's what's best for us No its not it's best for the Elite empire builders.

 

[festive]

Gee you are wierd.

and naive if you think Farage gives a monkeys about you.
the British are only under attack from this populist government.
Im not sure how you think a few penniless refugees are going to take over this country.

Look at how our population ratios are changing Notch bury your head in the sand and ignore it for sure.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

...when does exploding up their derriere(possibly not the best phrase to use if you or others here kick for the other side) warrant 'escaping a war torn country' 1000 upon 1000's of miles outside of said country 'to a safe place' warrant their need over others. ...
What gives them the right to upsticks leave and settle anywhere round the world over a homeless suffering person in that country already in a settled country but homeless with no money etc. There first safe place should ideally be the best place to start. ...

Do you think they should stay where they are, in the an unsafe place, because you don't want them?
They do indeed escape to the first safe place that they can, and make a new start for themselves from there. But then they are under no obligation to seek asylum there. Why do you keep insisting that they should?

We've already established that if you were going to escape, you would do some careful planning, researching, etc. Refugees are no different to you.
We have established that already, and we are now going round in circles, with you resorting to your original comments.

How you manage to mix up a phrase like "IEDs exploding up their derriere" as a paraphrase of what you said, with suggestions of homophobia, I really don't know.