First Harlow, now Bletchley

[Gerrydelasel]

Am positive that it will calm down and just have it's normal quota of hate crimes/****s soon - 2nd half of July apparently saw a fall.

Here are the actual numbers:
http://www.report-it.org.uk/hate_crime_data1

National Police Chiefs’ Council Lead for Hate Crime, Assistant Chief Constable Mark Hamilton said: “We have seen continued decreases in reports of hate crimes to forces and these reports have now returned to formerly seen levels for 2016. For this reason, we will return to our previous reporting procedures and will no longer be requiring weekly updates from forces."

 

[JohnD]

So in nine weeks, there were four and a half thousand more than in the corresponding nine weeks of last year.

I wonder what happened around the referendum to make people think, an extra four and a half thousand times, that hate crime was OK now.

Plus the ones that weren't recorded.

 

[Gerrydelasel]

So in nine weeks, there were four and a half thousand more than in the corresponding nine weeks of last year.

Since the referendum it is 3215 more reports compared with 2015. Subtract the 20% year-on-year increase in reporting (that has been consistent since 2012) and it becomes 1256 cases. Subtract the number that have nothing to do with race or nationality (e.g. disability / sexuality hate crimes) and it shrinks further. Subtract the number due to raised awareness of the reporting portal through media coverage, and it will shrink to trivial proportions. Haters gonna hate.

 

[Himaginn]

An insightful and appropriate comment from Ali Kadri:

'Ideology of hatred'
Ali Kadri, the Islamic Council of Queensland's spokesman, drew a parallel between Senator Hanson and al-Qaeda.
"Before it became a terrorist organisation, it preached an ideology of hatred," he said.
"Unfortunately Pauline Hanson and people like Donald Trump and others are taking the West towards that path as well, and that path only leads towards the destruction of nations and people and we've seen that in the Middle East."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-37335544

 

[JohnD]

trivial proportions.

so 1863 in a week is trivial?


Recorded Hate Crimes by the police in England, Wales and Northern Ireland


June-Aug 2016

Period 2016 2015 Year to Year Rise

(Pre- referendum)

Week 1 1391 1092 27%

(Post referendum)

Week2 1827 1255 46%

Week 3 1623 1281 27%

Week 4 1658 1226 35%

Week 5 1863 1249 49%

Week 6 1787 1131 58%

Week 7 1470 1202 22%

Week 8 1394 1250 12%

Week 9 1384 1197 16%


Totals 14397 10883


I'm interested in your suggestion that hate crimes against the disabled increased by 58% in one of the weeks following the referendum, but only 27% before. Do you have any evidence to support this ridiculous fantasy?

 

[blightymam]

Here are the actual numbers:
http://www.report-it.org.uk/hate_crime_data1

National Police Chiefs’ Council Lead for Hate Crime, Assistant Chief Constable Mark Hamilton said: “We have seen continued decreases in reports of hate crimes to forces and these reports have now returned to formerly seen levels for 2016. For this reason, we will return to our previous reporting procedures and will no longer be requiring weekly updates from forces."

That's good. It's going back down..
You're right - Haters are going to hate, no matter what's going on in the country.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/oct/22/ukcrime.race
Interesting article, bit old now, but it talks about what a complex issue it is.

 

[blightymam]

so 1827 in a week is trivial?


Recorded Hate Crimes by the police in England, Wales and Northern Ireland


June-Aug 2016

Period 2016 2015 Year to Year Rise

Week 1

(Pre- referendum)

1391 1092 27%

Week2

(Post referendum)

1827 1255 46%

Week 3 1623 1281 27%

Week 4 1658 1226 35%

Week 5 1863 1249 49%

Week 6 1787 1131 58%

Week 7 1470 1202 22%

Week 8 1394 1250 12%

Week 9 1384 1197 16%


Totals 14397 10883

Of course it's not good, people are f-tards without a doubt. But it IS good that the levels are going back down to pretty much pre-brexit levels. Be better if there was no hate crimes of course but that's never going to happen sadly.

Does that not seem like good news to you that things are improving? Or are you only wanting to talk about brexit again? You once told me that you don't look for doom and gloom regarding brexit and you wanted good news.. well, we're getting good news.

 

[Himaginn]

Since the referendum it is 3215 more reports compared with 2015. Subtract the 20% year-on-year increase in reporting (that has been consistent since 2012) and it becomes 1256 cases. Subtract the number that have nothing to do with race or nationality (e.g. disability / sexuality hate crimes) and it shrinks further. Subtract the number due to raised awareness of the reporting portal through media coverage, and it will shrink to trivial proportions. Haters gonna hate.

Try telling the relatives of the Polish man in Harlow, that his death was "one of the trivial number" of racially motivated crimes.
Try telling the woman who lost her baby that the loss was "one of the trivial number" of racially motivated crimes.
Try telling the other thousands of victims that the crime was "one of the trivial number" of racially motivated crimes.

 

[Gerrydelasel]

I'm interested in your suggestion that hate crimes against the disabled increased by 58% in one of the weeks following the referendum.

As straw men go, that one is one of your best! Crimes against the disabled increased by 58%? *chuckle* I can't even guess how you extracted that meaning from my words!

 

[JohnD]

good news.

Your good news being that foreigners are being attacked, abused and murdered, but the increase is not as bad this week as it was last week?

 

[Gerrydelasel]

Try telling the relatives of ...

Once again Himmy tries to tar the words of others with a sinister meaning that he alone has invented for them...
But I'll be kind and correct you explicitly: it is the increase in reporting that is trivial, not the actual cases.

 

[JohnD]

As straw men go, that one is one of your best! Crimes against the disabled increased by 58%? *chuckle* I can't even guess how you extracted that meaning from my words!

Because, of course, you attempted to pretend that a total increase of 58% did not imply an increase of 58% in attacks on people because of their race and nationality, and should be disregarded because the other attacks had gone up more. There is no evidence to support your ridiculous claim.

Subtract the number that have nothing to do with race or nationality (e.g. disability / sexuality hate crimes) and it shrinks further.

This only makes sense if you subtract the number of attacks on the disabled from both the before and after figures. So the percentage does not shrink.

 

[Gerrydelasel]

Because, of course, you attempted to pretend that a total increase of 58% did not imply an increase of 58% in attacks on people because of their race and nationality

Correct. If you read my words v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y you will see I pointed out that not all hate crimes are race related. Statistically, a few of those 58% will not be race related. Do I need to draw you a picture?

 

[Himaginn]

It is a criminal offence to stir up racial or religious hatred:

The first three defendants pleaded guilty to publishing material intended to stir up religious hatred, contrary to section 29C of the Public Order Act 1986 and were sentenced to 15 months’ imprisonment, 18 months’ imprisonment and 15 months’ imprisonment respectively.

http://report-it.org.uk/files/hate_crime_report_1.pdf
Do those that participate in such crimes think that this law does not apply to them for some peculiar reason?

 

[blightymam]

Your good news being that foreigners are being attacked, abused and murdered, but the increase is not as bad this week as it was last week?

Of course you'd say that.
You'll not be happy until you see a further rise, just so you can have a point.