Let's see if mitch agrees with you. If he does, I won't need to quote his words when replying to him.
For All Those Who Claim We are Leaving The EU, A Spanner In The Works
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Let's see if mitch agrees with you. If he does, I won't need to quote his words when replying to him.
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OK, campaign slogans, but it's what the outists wanted and voted for.
Are you now, admitting that these campaigns aims, slogans, promises, call 'em what you like, cannot now be delivered?
Why didn't Boris say something like, "Lets brexit and hopefully we can spend our EU contributions on NHS."
Some can, some can't in their entirety.
You don't work in advertising, do you. But still I think you can see that is a rubbish slogan, and the 'hopefully' is redundant in any case. Think of the tag line as being part of a long list of taglines reeled off in an epic speech: "Let's give our NHS the £350M! Let's give our schools the £350M! Our local councils, our theatres, our historic monuments!..." and so on.
Except that, they knew, you knew, the Remainers knew, the Referendum Authority knew and said so, there wasn't £350M to give, yet it was still not rescinded!
So if one tells an obvious lie, are all the other subsequent lies are not lies, but slogans, tag lines, advertising blurp?
Which of the 'slogans' can be now delivered in part, and which in entirety?
And which cannot be delivered at all, ever?
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And how many will actually bother to vote? The same 1/3 that bothered this time?
Your other comment is just obvious. We get to vote every few years, as normal. We keep the people we like, and get rid of those that we dont who have not performed. But to suggest that such significant issues could be up for change every few years is a little niave.
If you thought that the leave campaign could make promises then you are a fool. No-one can make promises unless they have the power to deliver.
I don't have the statistics to hand. You obviously do. Could you provide them, please, so we can discuss them on a level field.
Sorry. I wasn't suggesting that we would be voting in a referendum every few years. I was referring to the those who currently voted for Remain and therefore would like their MP to vote to Remain, voting in future GEs.
Cameron promised in his recent manifesto that he would hold a referendum. He was PM at the time, but there was no guarantee he would be PM in the next Parliament. He kept his promise.
So what are manifesto pledges, if they're not promises, if they are successful at the ballot?
A 'might try to', a 'we hope we can', or a 'let's see if we can'?
In that case all manifestos are to be taken with a dumper load full of salt.
They used the gross figure, not the rebated figure of £248M. You can argue very fairly that this was the wrong figure to use, but it's not a basis to extend logical falsity to everything else, and if it is, you can only argue those things are 30% false!
For a start we can continue to match the regional subsidies that the EU provided.
Who's manifesto are we talking about now? Vote leave had no manifesto, obviously.
If I say I'm the King of the castle and in my power, I grant you resident rights in the same castle, it is a basis to extrapolate one barmy idea on top of another.
That is what happened in this case.
The Brexiters said they would divert the £350M into the NHS and the Brexiters voted for it.
Perhaps I could remind you what were the three main planks of the Brexters platform (As espoused by a leading Brexiter): Immigration, NHS and Sovereignty. If the NHS promise was just a slogan, an idea, a hope, are the other two main components also just slogans, ideas, hopes?
I notice you said, "We can". But will we?
We can divert the EU funding into the NHS, but obviously we're not going to because it was just a slogan.
We're not going to reduce immigration because it was obviously unachievable!
So the whole sorry Brexit campaign was a massive con trick?
Not being clairvoyant I wouldn't know.
We may divert some of it, even if it's an extra fiver! But to divert all of it would be absurd. That you Remainers seem obsessed with this happening is bizarre.We can divert the EU funding into the NHS, but obviously we're not going to because it was just a slogan.
Where did the 'tens of thousands' figure originally come from? Cameron. But if it is to be reduced AT ALL it can only be done outside the EU.We're not going to reduce immigration because it was obviously unachievable!
I dont think tha they did. They never had the power or authority to decide what to do with any money.
What they did say, was that that amount would become available to spend on the NHS instead of going to the EU coffers.
Even so, the electorate should decide which argument they prefere and vote accordingly - as with any election or vote.
If I say I am going to give all DIYnot members a new drill if they vote for me as the most jolly member of the forum, then everyone's first question should be "Well, how are you going to do that?".
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You're easily the most jolly fellow on here....when can I have my drill?
Fair comment, except, as we know, the more educated, more qualified people did ask such questions as, "how are you going to do that?"
Then. not being satisfied with the answers, they voted to Remain.
Unfortunately, as in all, referendums/elections, etc, there are voters who are less educated, less qualified, and are easily misled. They voted for Brexit.
Will Boris, et al, explain to those poorly educated, unqualified, misled voters that it was all a bit of 'campaign trail not to be taken too seriously'?
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You can support that assertion, right? I mean, you have some of that evidence and facts you were lecturing us on a few weeks ago?
I see. Another slogan not to be taken seriously. Just a glossy answer to a difficult question.
It was the Brexiters slogan and it was what the Brexiters voted for.We may divert some of it, even if it's an extra fiver! But to divert all of it would be absurd. That you Remainers seem obsessed with this happening is bizarre.We can divert the EU funding into the NHS, but obviously we're not going to because it was just a slogan.
Will Boris apologise now for misleading the Brexiters?
In which case, as the non-EU net immigration is about 180,000 pa, it's not possible to reduce the net migration to tens of thousands.Where did the 'tens of thousands' figure originally come from? Cameron. But if it is to be reduced AT ALL it can only be done outside the EU.We're not going to reduce immigration because it was obviously unachievable!
Was that another slogan, not to be taken seriously?
The Remainers didn't take it seriously. The Brexiters believed it hook, line and sinker.
Does that maen that the referendum was won on highly dubious and impossible arguments?
Will Boris et al apologise for misleading the Brexiters?
What? That the Brexiters were, in the main, the less educated, less qualified voters?
It's pretty much general knowledge.
Look up the voting statistics. If you can't, if you don't know how, I'll do it for you.
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