French Constitution Vote

[Damocles]

You don't find Mr Coleman's publications just a little biased?

Anyone notice that at the start of this current Labour rule they handed over responsibility for interest rates to the bank of England. Thereby reducing the Governments ability to manipulate rates to boost their election chances. Do you not feel that putting our currency into the hands of a central bank might make it even harder for any particular government to fidddle the figures?

 

[pipme]

But isn't the current situation one of 'One size does not suit all ?'
Too many cooks spoil the broth .. we all know this is true ... So what has changed ?
A load more costs for no difference in my lifestyle ... Dyson went off to the far east not Euroland.
Anyway, it'll all come to nowt, the French will give it the heave ho !! They want to head it up or nothing .. Good on them, only one place in a consortium or union or any other group.. at the top !! Like the Yanks globally .... China's economy maybe growing fast but the USA is the prime driver...

 

[masona]

You don't find Mr Coleman's publications just a little biased?

At the moment, no I don't, Mr Coleman is still waiting for anyone to call him a lair and no one challenge him yet, doesn't that tell you something?

So why does Mr Brown goes to the Bank of England meeting once a month to talk about whether to put the interest rate up or down? Still a foot in the door and no one is bigger than the goverment including The Bank of England.

 

[pipme]

I see the EU as being like North Sea Oil ... Twas gonna mean virtually free power ... yeah right !! All these wonderful ideas .. usually remain just that .. and the reality for the majority of us is little or no change !! The change is usually for the worst ! Forget the mighty borrowing led property boom .... Pie in the sky, debts have to be repaid.

Browny is desperate to get out of his job into the skipper's driving seat before the economy cr ap hits the old fan and the red flag gets a rusty tinge of autumn... again !!

 

[Freddie]

 

[Damocles]

This is long enough ago that it is starting to become folklore. But I remember someone researching the price rise issue. They found that although the prices had all gone up at once, the overall rise was much as you would have expected taken over a year. The effect of changing the currency was to concentrate the price rises in one go. Not to cause any real increase.

Masona, as any politician knows, there is a whole career of difference between lying and not telling the truth.

I will have a go at perusing Mr Colemans website after I finish reading the new treaty.

 

[pipme]

.......as any politician knows, there is a whole career of difference between lying and not telling the truth.
I will have a go at perusing Mr Colemans website after I finish reading the new treaty.

So why believe the document ? why should that 'tell the truth' ? ..
More rules, More testing of those rules, more complexity, more cost, More muddy water ... More fiddling .... All probably looks and feels fantastic to the lawyers, but what about the people ?
If we are doing so well and the rest of Euroland struggling .. what use are they to me ? I certainly do not want to 'subsidise' any foreign country.

 

[confidentincompetent]

i'm just a lowly self employed decorator, not a wordsmith so I can't put into words the contempt I feel for this EU thing. Seems that every failed, cheating and otherwise no hope'r polotician (kinnock springs to mind) has been installed to form an elitist class way above the heads of us working class. The corruption that Kinnock said he was goin to sort out has been ignored and any dissenters in his employ is sacked. Blair & co obviously want to keep it rolling as he and cherie will be installed in Euroland when they get booted to join Glynis an Ian.
On paper the EU is ok, but not in practice. its a shambles getting worse wre all gettin strangled in red tape and stupid directives brought in with no means of implementing them I.E Fridge Mountains, still millons of fridges rusting away in secluded dumps. Regional assemblies another directive which prescott couldnt sell but he implemented anyway (stalanist) now we got faceless bueropratts imposing even more rules and helping themselves to a share of local councils poll tax. Immigration GRRRRRRR, i cant go on me brains steaming .

 

[david and julie]

100% right mate, in everything you say. It is the biggest con that as ever been foisted onto the the working man, wherever he lives. The only people that agree with it are either the naive, those scrounging a living from it or the big companies, who are taking the p**s as they all rush over to China to escape the c**p that they instigated.

The whole exercise is a sham insult to democracy and the perpetrators should hang their heads in shame. Never in my life did I think the French would bring some sense into the Eurocon, hopefully between them, both them and the Dutch, will gradually make people have some confidence in themselves and ditch these scrounging parasitic politcians and bureuacrats, we don't need any of them.

 

[Damocles]

No one noticed that as a QC Cherie earns a damn sight more than Tony is ever likely to? Absolutely no need for a European retirement plan there.

Now, fridge mountains, there's a thought.Just exactly how has the Eu caused them? All they have done is say they must be dismantled rather than dumped in the countryside. Are you saying you WANT them dumped in the countryside? If you want to know why the British government has not organised better recycling, why not ask them. Nothing to do with europe.

Regional assemblies? The UK government refuses to create regional government with teeth. Always the story is about taking powers away from your local council. What has that got to do with Europe?

Immigration? What immigration? There was a news item today about how in a few decades we will be BEGGING people to come to this country to work, being as the workforce is set to plummet bothe because of the falling birth rate and because of the increasing numbers of pensioners.

What is either to believe or disbelieve about the treaty? It is just a set of rules on how to do business. You may wish to change some of those rules, but it is what it says. And without having read all the other treaties I suspect that 99.9% of what it says is exactly the same as all the other treaties which are already in force.

Are you quite sure Europe is struggling? I think everyone is doing very nicely, thank you. Want to stop being an ordinary citizen in Europe and become an ordinary citizen in Africa? Or China? Russia?

 

[AdamW]

If France sign up to the European Constitution, this will offer some wide-reaching implications for their activity in Europe. French law is all based around their existing constitution, which takes precedence over all others.

An example of this at work is the "European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages". This is the legislation that has revitalised interest in the Cornish language.

Now, France has loads of regional languages. Breton, Basque, Provencal are just three that I know of. But the French constitution says "France has one language, that language is French". Well, it probably says it in French. Anyway, because of that part of the French constitution, France is unable to ratify the minority language charter. Now, if they sign up to the Euro-consititution then presumably that would be a step towards allowing them to adopt more of the European laws their politicians seem to be very fond of us adopting!

However, seeing as the UK has no written constitution, we are not constrained in the same way. We have no need of it.

Just think, in a decade or two when L'Academie has been disbanded and there is a whole generation of French politicians who learned English at school, there could even be a move towards a single-language Europe...

 

[AdamW]

Immigration? What immigration? There was a news item today about how in a few decades we will be BEGGING people to come to this country to work, being as the workforce is set to plummet bothe because of the falling birth rate and because of the increasing numbers of pensioners.

It is a well-published theory that if you took all of the immigrants (legal and otherwise) out of London, it would collapse because the toilets would go uncleaned and the takeaways would go unstaffed. I don't mean to sound condascending about someone's job but I doubt there are many people who get out of bed in the morning and say "Hot diggity! Today I get to do another 12-hour shift of scrubbing skidmarks out of the pans at Waterloo station, blessed am I!". So, immigrants find it very easy to get those jobs because no bu**er else wants them. They are willing to do an unpleasant job for little money, to try and improve their standard of living. Many Brits could learn from them.

People get annoyed about immigration when it is perceived that "they are taking our jobs". This does happen, there are a lot of Eastern European builders for instance. I'm sure there are plenty of people in the UK who would be a builder if given a shove in the right direction.

Most contentious of all is the benefits issue. This refers to asylum more than immigration, but many use asylum as a tool to allow them to take up residence here.

 

[pipme]

A small but intensely relevant point how do you effectively police a multitude of foreign nationals ?
Given the choice of getting into 'writing down' names and addys of individuals of the 'Me no speak Inglish' variety and just not bothering, I can guess which way the everyday bobby will fall and is that right ? He will remember John Smith but not Mustapha Inegthermountalan Is that fair on the John Smiths of the country ? Will we get a reversed 'stop and search' ? Much like the speed camera policing .. only effective against those who generally follow the laws of the land ?... All of which which is more or less ok, and watered down when there are very few people unable to communicate relative to the rest.. wait til there are millions ..

 

[Freddie]

Afterall if there was any truth in what you are saying you wouldnt be the lone voice in the wilderness on these issue's tim and time again would you??

 

[Freddie]