G20 Demonstrations

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Coaches will bring demonstrators from all over the UK to four separate "carnival parades" that will culminate outside the Bank of England. ...
is it a bank holiday today? maybe April fools day has become a national holiday or maybe people get a day off specially to be able to go out on demonstrations? being self employed I don't get a day off but Wondered how the hell all these people get to go on demonstrations? maybe they get a government grant :evil: I wouldnt be surprised.
p.s If no one responds to this post, I'll assume your on one of those coaches.
 
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How come you're not pi**ed off that the bankers put the livelihood of you and your family at risk with their macho gambling and pass-the-bad-debt-for-a-fat-commission games?

You've surely got to have some sympathy for the protesters? Or are you happy enough that 50 year-old Sir Fred gets to mess about on his yacht for the rest of his life, on a bigger yearly pension for wrecking his bank, than you'll ever get for working your nuts off until you die?
 
No I'm not happy with them and yes I'm very ****ed off with the bankers but thats not my questions,OK! lets say their protesting about the price of tea, I've only ever witnesses one protest in my life and it seemed to me that most of the protesters where just having a lark! how do they find the time to protest over what everr!
I wonder what the cost of policeing the protests are too us tax payers?
 
Yes, you're right. There's no doubt it is a bit of a game and ends up costing the rest of us. And it's a wasted effort - no-one in government is listening. I don't know the answer. This is what happens when we only get one chance every five years to tell 'em what we want.

For what it's worth, 2 or 3 people where I work have taken holiday leave to go up and join the throng.
 
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For what it's worth, 2 or 3 people where I work have taken holiday leave to go up and join the throng.

Well the genuine protesters have my respect, especially if they are giving up some of their holiday time.
 
I've got nothing against peaceful protest, I have nothing but best wishes for those genuinely there to make their point about the state of things. Amazing that people have travelled thousands of miles across Europe to make their point, but presumably these particular people are not connected with the climate change protests elsewhere in London :p :p :p

The problem I have is when it degrades into vandalism (which it already has) or violence (don't think that's happened yet). Just because you don't like someone or something, doesn't give you the right to put their windows in! It's quite likely that many (all?) of the vandals weren't even people who've lost houses, pensions, jobs because of RBS. Just mindless vandals.

The other problem I have with protest (and industrial action, for that matter) is that it impacts on innocent people. As far as I'm concerned, you have every right to stand and wave your placards and chant your slogans, but not to prevent a shopkeeper from making a living, a tourist from seeing the Bank of England or even the head of RBS from getting into the office on time.

That draws an uncomfortable line, as you would have to limit the number of people at a protest. Which would be seen by many as a law against gatherings larger than x people in one place. :eek: :confused:
 
I've got nothing against peaceful protest, I have nothing but best wishes for those genuinely there to make their point about the state of things. Amazing that people have travelled thousands of miles across Europe to make their point, but presumably these particular people are not connected with the climate change protests elsewhere in London
I am lead to believe that the majority of the demonstrators there today were peaceful and just wanted to make a point.

The problem I have is when it degrades into vandalism (which it already has) or violence (don't think that's happened yet). Just because you don't like someone or something, doesn't give you the right to put their windows in! It's quite likely that many (all?) of the vandals weren't even people who've lost houses, pensions, jobs because of RBS. Just mindless vandals.
How right you are. Looking at the scenes from London today and how mindless morons confronted the Police in a threatening manner suggests that there is a possibility that some of them do not actually work and sponge off the State - maybe like Swampy?
No doubt Ellala, or whatever will try to correct me.

The other problem I have with protest (and industrial action, for that matter) is that it impacts on innocent people. As far as I'm concerned, you have every right to stand and wave your placards and chant your slogans, but not to prevent a shopkeeper from making a living, a tourist from seeing the Bank of England or even the head of RBS from getting into the office on time.
How right you are again. Every person in our Democratic country has the right to protest - peacefully. Unlike a minority of unsavoury, possibly, foreign nationals, that wish to disrupt our once, Green and pleasant land.
Even today, there were many that wanted to cause nothing but trouble. Looking at those involved in a sit down protest, they appeared bewildered - er, what do we do next? Get a life, perhaps a job?
Then there was news that Russell Brand had joined the protest about Capitalism - that was just before he flew out of Heathrow Airport, first class, on his way to America. Please keep him- about as funny as the P*x
That draws an uncomfortable line, as you would have to limit the number of people at a protest. Which would be seen by many as a law against gatherings larger than x people in one place.
If I remember correctly, that was always the case. The official picket lines years ago could not be more than 4 - I could be wrong.
I am always in favour of peaceful protests - if you have a passion for something and you wish your voice to be heard, then you must try to do something about it. Unfortunately, it appears that some of the so called protesters, are nothing but State ponses, as per normal.
Maybe, they should be forced to help Police other situations like this and still claim their benefits ;)
 
Coaches will bring demonstrators from all over the UK to four separate "carnival parades" that will culminate outside the Bank of England. ...
is it a bank holiday today? maybe April fools day has become a national holiday or maybe people get a day off specially to be able to go out on demonstrations? being self employed I don't get a day off but Wondered how the hell all these people get to go on demonstrations? maybe they get a government grant :evil: I wouldnt be surprised.
p.s If no one responds to this post, I'll assume your on one of those coaches.

yeah, let's not bother, let em carry on, l wlLL do as l'm told,


"l don't get a day off"......................

some can't get a day on.
 
The problem I have is when it degrades into vandalism (which it already has) or violence (don't think that's happened yet). Just because you don't like someone or something, doesn't give you the right to put their windows in! It's quite likely that many (all?) of the vandals weren't even people who've lost houses, pensions, jobs because of RBS. Just mindless vandals.
In fairness though, that cuts both ways. The bankers have vandalised the economy, and, not content putting some people's windows in, they've gone and stolen the entire house and the livelihood of the people living in it, and swapped it for a fat pension for themselves. Now I'm damn sure none of us did anything to upset the bankers, so I'm not sure they even have an excuse for their behaviour. At least the protesters can claim to be completely fed up with the greed and stoopidity of the banks, and to be acting out of a genuine anger at what our government has allowed these people to get away with. Personally, I think if the odd window gets broken at RBS or wherever, then they have got off lightly - I'd have probably opted for hanging the odd banker from a lamp post (joke!).

Point is, why one rule for one set of people, and another set of rules for the others? Why is it a crime for the protesters to stop the odd bank employee from getting to work, or the odd tourist from getting to see the queen, and not a crime for the bankers to prevent 1000 people getting to work (because their factory is now bust), and another 1000 people from living their lives?
 
No doubt Ellal, or whatever will try to correct me.

There were all types of people there, however it's just that the media love to show the stereotypical 'protester' ..

And whilst there were undoubtably some there out for a bit of trouble, most of the aggro was caused (as is often the case) by police tactics designed to 'imprison' (often unlawfully) the crowds and thus provoke violence!

Of course had you been there ( ;) ), you may have understood this...


That draws an uncomfortable line, as you would have to limit the number of people at a protest. Which would be seen by many as a law against gatherings larger than x people in one place.

The police can in effect designate a crowd of more than 1 as an illegal gathering!
 
We call france for not enterlng all or any war, THEY run the country, not the poLltltlons Llke shl t bag brltaln, Keep dolng what your told.muppets.
 
No doubt Ellal, or whatever will try to correct me.
And whilst there were undoubtably some there out for a bit of trouble, most of the aggro was caused (as is often the case) by police tactics designed to 'imprison' (often unlawfully) the crowds and thus provoke violence!

Of course had you been there ( ;) ), you may have understood this...
Hey Gasman...

Have a gander at this and see who you think was using 'threatening behaviour'...

Link

And remember, this was the guy whom protesters tried to stop plod helping apparently... ;)
 
No doubt Ellal, or whatever will try to correct me.
And whilst there were undoubtably some there out for a bit of trouble, most of the aggro was caused (as is often the case) by police tactics designed to 'imprison' (often unlawfully) the crowds and thus provoke violence!

Of course had you been there ( ;) ), you may have understood this...
Hey Gasman...

Have a gander at this and see who you think was using 'threatening behaviour'...

Link

And remember, this was the guy whom protesters tried to stop plod helping apparently... ;)


I'm surprised this post received no reply just goes to show how we allow ourselves to pushed around in this country now, no pun intended.

This was an entirely innocent man trying to get home from work. He is first shoved by a dog handler then two Police dogs can be seen nipping at his heals as he complies with whatever the Police officers have said to him. He has his hands in his pockets, is walking away and cannot be seen to have provoked the Police in anyway either immediately before or after, and yet a mask thug attacks him from behind. Had you or I done that we would have rightly been arrested an charged with an assault.
Not one single officer went to his aid despite the manner of his fall and his clear distress at what had just happened to him. It is not enough to say the Police were dealing with the demonstrators, he wasn't one.

The loss of respect in this country is now absolute, We have been divided and conquered. We are ruled by, (and have been since the eighties) (cant) careless government using the Police to bully any and every decenter, law abiding or otherwise and we let it happen.
Very dark days ahead.
 
Hmmm, it's an interesting one.

At first viewing, he looks totally innocent, walking - slowly - with his hands in his pockets - in front of them and then getting pushed over.

But read the witness statements on the Gruniad site, though, and he apparently had already had some form of altercation with them, somewhere further up the road.

With that in mind, watch it again: he looks to be deliberately dawdling in front of them, it's hardly the case that he would not have been aware of their presence immediately behind him. Then, look at how he is "interacting" with them when on the ground: that doesn't give the impression that he was totally unaware of them being there, of not expecting them to do something.

Now look at the plod who wacked and pushed him. I know plod get a bad press, some of them deservedly so, but I really find it hard to believe that, apropos entirely of nothing, that a plod would give a guy, walking away from him, a belt and a shove.

Doesn't excuse his actions, as clearly he had a brief spell of red mist and it's obviously a great shame that the guy died a few minutes later; but I'm not convinced that Mr Tomlinson is as innocent in all of this, as is being made out.
 
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