Probably made on the same assembly line as Panasonic, LG, Daikin...
Gel Radiators
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I know, but its the respect people give the better names.
Also, I have a split wall-mounted unit from B&Q in my conservatory, and it is awfully noisy - the fan is loud, and it creaks all the time, the relays are loud too. The point being, you wouldnt want one in the bedroom (I had to sleep in the conservatory once while my room was being plastered and drying, and I had to turn it off, woke up shivering). The ones we use at work, Mitsubishi, are very quiet in comparison.
Thank-you so far for the comments/reply's but no-one has actually said anything about these gel radiators...
So I have been googleing, as one does... and found 2 names KALIREL and Royale...
So they do exists but no-one knows anything about them!?
I await further replies...
Angelbabes...
So I have been googleing, as one does... and found 2 names KALIREL and Royale...
So they do exists but no-one knows anything about them!?
I await further replies...
Angelbabes...
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That's why I'm planning to buy a second hand VW Phaeton.
Which is a luxury barge bargain, esp if you go for the w12
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Is Taiwan a hot country and are they likely to know how to make air conditioning units? I would answer Yes. So I think I will Google Breezy Air Ltd. But seems they come from Orange County USA!
Seems to contradict itself "economy 10" is not "Unrestricted". The rest of the statements don't seem to ring true.
It claims a damping effect so continuous heat is emitted with electronics working out when to switch off and on. Maybe because it never overheats it could work out cheaper than a poor quality storage heater.
But I would think from reading what they say it's little better than any oil filled radiator and a lot worse than the water storage I talked about or the heat pumps talked about.
How can you improve on efficiency of electric heating? Either by very careful control so premises are never over temperature or by using heat already there. Only real way to get cheaper electric power is using it off peak.
So a heat pump which heats a heat store which is very well insulated and controlled would be best. However really expensive to install. So closer you can get to this goal the better.
Can't see the Kalirel system getting anywhere near. You can't get anything for nothing.
The W12 is madness. I don't do many miles a year, so I don't have to get the diesel one, but even on the amount I do the W12 would be ruinous to run.Which is a luxury barge bargain, esp if you go for the w12
Official combined consumption 19.5mpg? That's about as accurate as "the cheque's in the post" and "I won't *** in your mouth" - probably be lucky to see 12 IRL.
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I am no expert on heating systems but you should consider the following.
Storage heaters receive their charge of energy during the off-peak period and store enough of it as heat for latter use throughout the rest of the day. They are usually on an off-peak tariff.
It appears to me that these units do not store sufficient heat energy for a long enough period to provide heat throughout the day.
If these GEL heaters deliver instant heat from the electricity supply they will need to receive energy on an 'as required' basis. This means that they will on an on-peak tariff, along with all of the rest of the loads in the property.
So they will be demanding power at the same time as your other large electrical loads such as water heating, shower, cooker, etc. This can lead to problems with power supply capacity as you will have a limited maximum capacity for the property.
Electric on-peak heating is usually only specified in small accommodation units such as student flats. It is likely to be expensive to run in a larger property.
Storage heaters receive their charge of energy during the off-peak period and store enough of it as heat for latter use throughout the rest of the day. They are usually on an off-peak tariff.
It appears to me that these units do not store sufficient heat energy for a long enough period to provide heat throughout the day.
If these GEL heaters deliver instant heat from the electricity supply they will need to receive energy on an 'as required' basis. This means that they will on an on-peak tariff, along with all of the rest of the loads in the property.
So they will be demanding power at the same time as your other large electrical loads such as water heating, shower, cooker, etc. This can lead to problems with power supply capacity as you will have a limited maximum capacity for the property.
Electric on-peak heating is usually only specified in small accommodation units such as student flats. It is likely to be expensive to run in a larger property.
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Noted something in trade mag today. New radiators designed to emit both radiated and convected heat using aluminium fins and liquid internal circulation. And I suppose one must consider the use of radiated heat.
Problem with radiated heat is control. We have all seen the radiant heaters in bathrooms and commercial garages and their main advantage is they heat the person rather than the air so air changes either to remove steam or opening doors to swap car under repair will have a lot less impact on heating.
However these units tend to be just on and there is little or no control. A standard thermostat measures air temperature so is useless.
The cure it seems is to combine both so the standard thermostat will still work but is set at lower temperature to compensate for radiant heat output.
This brings us complete circle and one has to ask would it not be a good idea to combine radiated heat with lighting during winter months? This would be rather easy. Just remove all the energy saving lamps and replace with tungsten in winter months and not only will you save energy but also reduce the amount of mercury.
But although radiated heat can save energy in real terms the lack of control means it is unlikely.
It seems firms do sell things that don't work. We have all heard about bomb detectors. Seems we may have to add some of the outrageous energy saving claims as well. There is always some contrived situation where the claims can be proved true. But we all know there are lies, darn lies and statistics.
Problem with radiated heat is control. We have all seen the radiant heaters in bathrooms and commercial garages and their main advantage is they heat the person rather than the air so air changes either to remove steam or opening doors to swap car under repair will have a lot less impact on heating.
However these units tend to be just on and there is little or no control. A standard thermostat measures air temperature so is useless.
The cure it seems is to combine both so the standard thermostat will still work but is set at lower temperature to compensate for radiant heat output.
This brings us complete circle and one has to ask would it not be a good idea to combine radiated heat with lighting during winter months? This would be rather easy. Just remove all the energy saving lamps and replace with tungsten in winter months and not only will you save energy but also reduce the amount of mercury.
But although radiated heat can save energy in real terms the lack of control means it is unlikely.
It seems firms do sell things that don't work. We have all heard about bomb detectors. Seems we may have to add some of the outrageous energy saving claims as well. There is always some contrived situation where the claims can be proved true. But we all know there are lies, darn lies and statistics.
Kalirel? Read from here onwards.
Economy Radiator? I'd be a little dubious of a company that advertises its products with text like this:
Gas Heating
If you are committed to inviting a gorilla around to spend
a week ripping up your floor boards, running pipes
everywhere carrying boiling water all over the house.
Pipes that conveniently burst whilst on holiday, then ask him
back every year to perform maintenance tasks on your boiler.
Happy to have your phone calls ignored, not to mention
the risk of a gas explosion. Then this is the system for you.
And
The heat given off by a storage heater is a dry heat, the air is actually physically burnt hence the
carbon deposits, this is extremely bad for your health and incredibly hazardous for asthma
suffers.
Worse the distribution of heat tends to be very high at the ceiling and minimal around your feet
were you often need it.
Have they found a way to stop their hot air from rising?
And, in relation to an electric heating system using normal-rate electricity:
it has... similar if not lower running costs to gas
OMG. What an unbelievable scam. I finally tracked down their prices. From £220 odd. It's amazing how many people will believe that you can make an electric heater more efficient.
To the OP: I agree with everyone who has already said it. Avoid like the plague.
To the OP: I agree with everyone who has already said it. Avoid like the plague.
And they're all on the Russ Andrews mailing list.
Still - once they get their 15% commission for helping that widow in Nigeria to get her late husband's ill-gotten gains out of the country via their bank account they'll easily be able to afford them.
Thank-you peeps for your help and advice...
After carefull consideration I am abandoning the whole electric heating idea as the the connection quotes from the electric board are as follows...
£2400 + vat for power to cottage sufficient to take 10kw shower.
or
£14,800 + VAT sufficient to power 4/5 electric heaters/storage.
What are your thoughs on this
Angelbebes...
After carefull consideration I am abandoning the whole electric heating idea as the the connection quotes from the electric board are as follows...
£2400 + vat for power to cottage sufficient to take 10kw shower.
or
£14,800 + VAT sufficient to power 4/5 electric heaters/storage.
What are your thoughs on this
Angelbebes...
what size is the main fuse in your cut out at the moment?
Unsure what you mean with regards to 'cut-out fuse'.
Where is it and/or who do I ask?
Thankyou...
Where is it and/or who do I ask?
Thankyou...
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