Girl X and Boy Y.

[motorbiking]

Girl accused of murdering Brianna Ghey tells court of 'shock' as she 'saw' friend stabbing victim

Girl X blames her co-accused boy Y for the murder, telling jurors Brianna landed "face down on the floor" when she was attacked in Linear Park in Culcheth, near Warrington.

news.sky.com

What lovely pieces of work these two are.

I can't see their defence holding up. Clearly this was a joint enterprise plot to murder another young person.

How does someone's head get round killing another person, because they don't like them.

The court has seen messages in which she told boy Y: "I just want her to die really bad" and "I want to see the pure horror in her face and hear her scream in pain."

In another she said she wanted to "keep part of its flesh and an eyeball. Really want one because they have pretty eyes."

 

[RandomGrinch]

Asked if there was a possibility boy Y would think she was being serious, she said "yes" but said she did not think he would bring a knife "because I knew he never took his knives out with him".

...because it's completely normal for a 15 year old to have a collection of knives.

 

[Deleted member 294929]

I've followed this, and it's had me close to tears.

No words, just desperately sad for
Brianna and her family.

I hope these kids never see the light of day.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

I've followed this, and it's had me close to tears.

No words, just desperately sad for
Brianna and her family.

I hope these kids never see the light of day.

They will, because our judicial system seems very reluctant to serve whole life tariffs, or even in some cases a decent sentence at all.

 

[IT Minion]

Junior Fred and Rose Wests.

 

[transam]

smoking gun evidence

Bang em up till
There 18 and than execute the scum bags

Sorted

 

[Doug99]

Apparently they had a list of potential victims, Brianna just happened to be the first.
Evil !!

 

[motorbiking]

Pretty dumb to document the plan, but helpful for the jury.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

US tends to get it more right than us when sentencing. If the case linked to below had happened here, I wonder what the sentence would have been? 8 years out in 4 maybe?

Videos released of day student committed violent attack on teacher

Jonathan Martinez-Garcia, 17, was walking the hallways during the early afternoon hours at Eldorado High School before eventually struggling with and attacking Sade.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Roy Bloom]

US tends to get it more right than us when sentencing.

Depends which side of the mistake.

Innocence​

The death penalty carries the inherent risk of executing an innocent person. Since 1973, at least 195 people who had been wrongly convicted and sentenced to death in the U.S. have been exonerated.

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/innocence

 

[JohnD]

US tends to get it more right than us when sentencing.

Homicidal maniacs in US are more likely to accumulate guns, so can kill lots of people quite quickly with little effort.

 

[motorbiking]

I suspect the CPS are holding back the charges for conspiracy on the other potential victims on the list.

 

[securespark]

Is it alleged they were in cahoots?

I know that if I was out with a mate who started attacking someone, I would intervene.

If neither tried to stop the other, what does that say?

 

[motorbiking]

Girl X wrote a plan. outlining the murder. The plan was for boy Y to stab the victim in the back, while Girl X stabbed the victim in the stomach.
It makes a pretty decent argument for joint enterprise.

In fact it's one of the few joint enterprise cases where it doesn't feel unjust for the "bystander" to be co-convicted.

 

[ellal]

In fact it's one of the few joint enterprise cases where it doesn't feel unjust for the "bystander" to be co-convicted.

I doubt anyone could disagree, but how do you differentiate this case from any other 'joint enterprise killing' ruling?

In the UK there is no equivalent '5th amendment' defence as in the US...

So how do you actually get to the truth and avoid the pain that Brianna's family must be going through whilst preserving the law?