God or country

[Bilioustrumpstaine]

Biliou,,,, are u sure there's no god, where,s your facts. surley hundreds of millions of people world cant be fooled

I don't know where you think I can find facts to prove or disprove my opinion. As for people being fooled, it wasn't that many years ago that people thought the world was flat we look back and ridicule them now, perhaps in a few hundred years people will look back at our era and laugh at our beliefs.

 

[billyo]

sorry about your dad richardp ,i am like him i am in no hurry to meet my god or anybody eles's

 

[Hysteresis]

Biliou,,,, are u sure there's no god, where,s your facts. surley hundreds of millions of people world cant be fooled

I don't know where you think I can find facts to prove or disprove my opinion. As for people being fooled, it wasn't that many years ago that people thought the world was flat we look back and ridicule them now, perhaps in a few hundred years people will look back at our era and laugh at our beliefs.

Just read Richard Dawkins 'The God Delusion'. His logical and objective look at all religions is I think very enlightening. Unlike religious fanatics, Dawkins is quite willing to be proved wrong in his atheist views, if someone can present a strong enough argument.
Disproving the existence of Any God is impossible. It is like disproving the existence of extra terrestrial life. You can only prove that it exists by finding it . If you don't find it it does not prove it does not exist as you just can't search the entire Universe and the idea will still prevail that you just haven't looked in the right place yet - adinfinitum. I know there will be people who say they have found God. Well no they haven't, what they have done is convinced themselves of the existence of a God for some reason but they certainly haven't met God. All any off us can and should do, is examine impartially the evidence available as advocated by Prof. Dawkins and arrive at your own conclusion. For Dawkins and me, the overwhelming evidence is that it is highly unlikely that Any God exists, and if one does exist He/She/It must be an extremely Nasty Person/Thing to advocate the teaching that all religions seem to promote. Note that the conclusion is that it is 'highly unlikely that a God Exists' and Not 'There isn't a God'.
It is a pity religious fanatics cannot be as equally accomodating and say that 'It is Highly Likely a God does exist', and not be so unequivocal that 'A God does sxist'
For Me, Atheism is the only Logical Conclusion, but read The God Delusion objectively and at least if you have read and Understood the Bible/Koran/The Budda Thingy etc etc, and the counter arguments in The God Delusion, then at least you can be in command of ALL of the facts and not just the biased ones in the particular religion in which you are interested. Being in command of ALL of the facts then you are at liberty to decide on which side of the fence you fall. In my case it was a great big Jump to the atheist side as this ,to me, is the only logical conclusion until someone can present a stronger argument for the alternative. There has not been a convincing argument in thousands of years so, I doubt there will be a good enough argument in my life time. Maybe when I am infront of the Pearly Gates I will regret this view but at least I will have the excuse that I considered all of the facts, and 'Gods' facts were in fact very unconvincing, so at least give me the benefit of thniking all the evidence through.
I urge All Believers and Non Believers to read objectively Richard Dawkins 'The God Delusion' , and then decide. Just as long as you have studied all the information available to you.

 

[billyo]

hysteresis. i think i will one day read prof Richard Dawkins sounds like a good read its just the though of noting thats challenging

 

[joe-90]

people construct their own idea of God to match their own preferences.

South Africa used to have a God that approved of Apartheid. Britain used to have a God that approved of slavery. Some people have a God that approves of subjugation of women. Some people have a God that approves of the stoning to death of Adulterers (but only if they're female ones). Some people have a God that thinks you should pray in Latin and some people have a God that thinks you should pray in your own language. Some people have a God that says Transubstantiation is true and some people have a God that says it isn't. Some people have a God that says women can be priests and some have a God that says they can't. Some people have a God that thinks you should have lots of wives and some people have a God that thinks you should only have one. Some people have a God that thinks it is best to have a wife and children, some people have a God that thinks it is best not to.

So their God is always on their side.

A really impressive and informative reply JohnD.

That's what I thought too.

 

[empip]

Most people with f'ked up lives actually thought they were God ... Comes tight does reality, expensive for some.

 

[joe-90]

I think I can prove the existence of God (naturally).


Take a look at the Milky Way with its billions of stars, then take a look at deep space and see that there are billions of galaxies just like the Milky Way.

Now I ask you, "Where did all that matter come from?"

You don't know?

Well it must have come from somewhere so wherever it came from - let's just call it God!


You can't accept that? Well in that case the matter must have come from nothing. So what acted upon the nothing to make it a something?

You don't know? Well in that case let's just call it God.

Take your pick.

Oh and if you say that it must have always existed, never made nor destroyed - well that's a pretty good definition of God.

 

[Shutpa]

Most people with f'ked up lives actually thought they were God ... Comes tight does reality, expensive for some.

Sad but very, very, true. Many years ago I went to visit a friend in hospital after he'd had a nervous breakdown. He said that he was Jesus and spent the whole time shaping paper clips into crosses. The problem was that there was another patient in the ward who thought that he was Jesus and only the nurses stopped them from coming to blows.

 

[JohnD]

.... Well it must have come from somewhere so wherever it came from - let's just call it God!

No prob with that as a belief - but also no evidence that it cares whether we eat rabbits or ordain homosexuals. That's just cultural preferences knitted into a faith.

 

[Hysteresis]

I think I can prove the existence of God (naturally).


Take a look at the Milky Way with its billions of stars, then take a look at deep space and see that there are billions of galaxies just like the Milky Way.

Now I ask you, "Where did all that matter come from?"

You don't know?

Well it must have come from somewhere so wherever it came from - let's just call it God!


You can't accept that? Well in that case the matter must have come from nothing. So what acted upon the nothing to make it a something?

You don't know? Well in that case let's just call it God.

Take your pick.

Oh and if you say that it must have always existed, never made nor destroyed - well that's a pretty good definition of God.

Sorry Joe - That one is a non starter, tried before by many and Proves absolutly FA.
If you do the regression of something must have done something to create IT, then who created the Creator? Something must have, And then WHo created the Creators' Creator - adinfinitum.
So Joe, you have finally agreed - You don't know Everything.

Thanks for the Wink - The inevitable Wind Up Eh! At least this time you gave us all a clue!

 

[joe-90]

But that's just it, the chain goes on ad infinitum. Therefore whence all things came must have always been there and will always be there. Let's call that something God for want of a better word.

 

[noseall]

whether there is a God or not, it is true to say that:



"the meek shall inherit the earth"

 

[joe-90]

The meek don't want it.

 

[Trazor]

The meek don't want it.

I.ll have it............that is if you don,t mind.

 

[Deluks]

Biliou,,,, are u sure there's no god, where,s your facts. surley hundreds of millions of people world cant be fooled

I urge All Believers and Non Believers to read objectively Richard Dawkins 'The God Delusion' , and then decide. Just as long as you have studied all the information available to you.

Thanks for the recommendation, sounds very in-line with my own beliefs.

I hope I get it for Christmas, erm, oh bugger, hang on