Government scraps pension cap

[Justin Passing]

How will this help the poor?

Oh just little things
why don't YOU try to work some out?

The poor still get their free doctors, who haven't gone off to some country which pays them properly.
So they pay their vastly higher-than-poor-people's taxes here
More better-off people pay for private health care which lessens the drain on the NHS,
etc etc etc
leaving more for the poor on their means-tested benefits.

You must have hit the input stop on your pension pot years ago John. Wifey and I did. Think how much more income tax you'd be paying as a pensioner if you'd had more in it, going to the treasury to help your poor people.

 

[JP_]

It's not jealously. People with massive pensions were taxed for the good of society, it means more money for failing pensions for those that have been unable to save for their own pension and rely on government pension only. That pot of money just potentially got smaller (or money is taken from another place to pay for it).

 

[JohnD]

It's just another way for rich people to save a load of cash away without paying tax.

Correct.

 

[ellal]

I guess some in this thread consider that they are not an ordinary working man or woman.

And maybe some don't realise that we all have to rely on 'ordinary' workers...

But some don't wish to contribute their fair share tax wise, and are happy to 'play the system'!

 

[Justin Passing]

You don't have to be jealous to think that giving extra tax breaks to the rich

Is no help to the poor.

No, That's true. But having your head up your arris helps.

 

[Lower]

There are tremendous benefits to anyone lucky enough to be able to build up a big pension fund.

This is an increase in benefits for people who already have over a million and can afford still more.

Totally irrelevant to the ordinary working man or woman.

Unless they want to access healthcare and find that there are more doctors and nurses working past early retirement age because they no longer have a punative tax bill that they can't opt out of without retiring early.

 

[JohnD]

more doctors and nurses working past early retirement age

Anybody who already has over a million in their pension fund already has quite a decent pension.

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Do many of the nurses you know have that much?

How many of them feel fit to carry on in their old age?

 

[conny]

Regarding private health services helping to ease the drain on the NHS.
It's a falsehood. My wife has been needing to see a neck/neurology specialist for over 18 months but was unable to to because of Covid and then back logs in the system. She received a letter last week to say she has now been put on the waiting list but the earliest appointment is in 2 years.
After our car accident in January she was advised to see a neurologist to try and find the reason for the difficulties she is having after it appears to have disturbed the cage implant in her neck. Appointment was made and all tests, (MRI. CT Scan and something called a doppler scan), have been carried out and she is seeing the consultant tomorrow.
The consultant is the one she is going to be waiting 2 years to see through the NHS.
If he wasn't doing private practice, it stands to reason he would be available to the NHS more often, and therefore able to see her sooner.

 

[ellal]

If he wasn't doing private practice, it stands to reason he would be available to the NHS more often, and therefore able to see her sooner.

You do realise it's tory policy to privatise the UK health system don't you?

 

[Justin Passing]

If he wasn't doing private practice, it stands to reason he would be available to the NHS more often, and therefore able to see her sooner.

Maybe. But maybe if he wasn't doing private practice, he'd not find it worth being a doctor here and bugger off somewhere else, and/or the NHS would have to pay him a load more because his mates buggered off. Some see our £14 an hour ex college and they're gone.

That assumes shortage of doctors is the problem. Are you sure it's not all the other resources?

 

[diy_fun_uk]

It's not jealously. People with massive pensions were taxed for the good of society, it means more money for failing pensions for those that have been unable to save for their own pension and rely on government pension only. That pot of money just potentially got smaller (or money is taken from another place to pay for it).

I'm making a wider more general point. People moan and groan about people who have more (possessions, property, income, pensions, whatever) however if they found themselves in that same position, would they disown all the possessions, property, income, pensions over the amount they found to be excessive? I doubt it, not in 99% of cases anyway.

OT but a guy in the states won $2.1 billion on their lotto. He actually got something like $980 million (yes still a humungous sum) because the winnings are taxed. Joke.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Do you know people earning over £x get taxed at y%? Quite right I say, tax 'em MORE!!!
(fast forward a decade, this person is now earning £x)
Do you know people earning over £x get taxed at y%? It's an absolute DISGRACE!!!

 

[Justin Passing]

Do you know people earning over £x get taxed at y%? Quite right I say, tax 'em MORE!!!
(fast forward a decade, this person is now earning £x)
Do you know people earning over £x get taxed at y%? It's an absolute DISGRACE!!!

I think we all know that . Not sure what your point is, though.
A decade later, the boundaries will usually have gone up too.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

I think we all know that . Not sure what your point is, though.
A decade later, the boundaries will usually have gone up too.

My point is simply that the high majority of stuff folk moan and groan about when it comes to others that have more is often laced with jealousy, either consciously or otherwise. e.g. folk that used to moan about public sector 'gold-plated' pensions, would they turn said pension down if they ended up working in the public sector? No. So what are they moaning about? They're moaning because someone has something they perceive as being better/more than they have. I'm not saying they're not entitled to moan, protest, lobby an MP etc, but often jealousy plays a part, however folk don't like to admit it.

 

[JohnD]

My point is simply that the high majority of stuff folk moan and groan about when it comes to others that have more is often laced with jealousy,

That's an opinion popular in some quarters. Especially those who benefit from generous treatment of the more prosperous.

But humans, and other primates, are social animals and are instinctively drawn to fairness.

When we see a group treating its own members well, and disregarding those in greater need, we are repulsed.