Hatch to subfloor

[Harry Bloomfield]

Well, many of the US cinema films rewrote WWII history, it seems it was the US which captured the German code machine from a submarine, rather than the Royal Navy

People do tend to believe what they see in the cinema.

 

[Dylan123]

Well, many of the US cinema films rewrote WWII history, it seems it was the US which captured the German code machine from a submarine, rather than the Royal Navy

People do tend to believe what they see in the cinema.

Indeed. And both US and U.K. cinema seems to show us winning the war, when it was won by the USSR really. They needed the US military complex but the post yalta map of Europe shows who won the European war.

other than the axis probably Britain was the biggest loser. We lost an empire and Suez in 56 showed us subordinate to the USA.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Indeed. And both US and U.K. cinema seems to show us winning the war, when it was won by the USSR really. They needed the US military complex but the post yalta map of Europe shows who won the European war.

Until they got there war production sorted out, we gave Russia lots of help running war materials in convoys to them. We were extremely lucky Hitler turn his attention to invading Russia and away from us.

 

[Dylan123]

Until they got there war production sorted out, we gave Russia lots of help running war materials in convoys to them. We were extremely lucky Hitler turn his attention to invading Russia and away from us.

indeed. I remember being told Hitler invaded Russia on the whim of his astrologer! It was always the plan, to get oil from the Urals after he failed to get ours in the desert.

in fact he didn’t even want war with us, the idea was to secure the pre Versailles territories and wipe out communism - and get most of Eastern Europe.

it was the general feeling it was just a matter of time before Stalin marched as far as the channel and to be fair, I think he was right.

Kind of a moot point the eastern front. The bad guys won whoever won.

 

[Deleted member 174758]

No whim. Nor an astrologer (other than maybe timing). In "Mein Kampf" Hitler makes references to the need find "Lebensraum" (living space) for the German people. A lot og commentators take this.to mean Eastern Europe up to the Urals

As to code cracking it was the Polish secret service which gave everyone a leg up. They managed to steal a lot of the details about the Enigma machine which ultimately came to us via the French, however it was Bletchley who did all the work on cracking the 4-rotor Enigma. The biggest breakthrough probably came as the result of a very brave RN officer, Lt. Cdr. Mark Thornton of HMS Petard, who managed to retreive a Kriegsmarine Enigma from the sinking U-559 complete with code books in October 1942 - after we had started cracking the 4-rotor machine codes used by the Abwehr, etc (naval Enigmas had 5-rotors). With that action Blrtchley were able to build extenfef Bombes to crack the 5-rotor naval codes. Ultra (Bletchley) was delivering information during the North African campaign - in other words before the Yanks were involved in the war. But then they invented everything, didn't they?

Collossus was different to the Bombes used to crack Enigma code. It was developed to crack the German diplomatic code produced by the Lorenz machine and was arguably the world's first stored program computer

 

[Dylan123]

No whim. Nor an astrologer (other than maybe timing). In "Mein Kampf" Hitler makes references to the need find "Lebensraum" (living space) for the German people. A lot og commentators take this.to mean Eastern Europe up to the Urals

Indeed, and the merger of Germany with Austria/Hungary. It was to return Prussia (a lot of what is currently Poland) to Germany which was artificially taken away post WW1.
The horrors of WW2 were sown in that railway carriage. An extremely vindictive and punishment laden resolution to that war, which created the horrors of the next.

I’m glad we all learned our lesson and helped Germany after the 2nd, that is, after the red army committed one of the largest war crimes in history on their civilians. Of course, this was in retaliation.

thank god these horrors are behind us

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

thank god these horrors are behind us

+1

SWMBO keeps asking me why I watch documentaries on WW1, 2 and other such history programs - my stock answer is that if we don't where we came from, how can we know where which direction we are going? There is a lot to be gained from our past mistakes.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

.