Health Secretary

[Justin Passing]

Fair point, for a change Gas... I suspect they might have believed the lie that they might be expected to work 40-48 hours a week though, thus making the hourly rate a bit more respectable.

Not really a fair point, if the increments have been below inflation as they say then the wages were 13.4% better in real terms when they started training, if that was 5 years, based on 35% in the 15 years they claim. Many "Junior doctors" have had that job title for many years, so their deficit is larger.
They aren't (currently) moaning particularly about their working hours.
It's true, what they say about earning more abroad. I have a relative Dr in Prince Alfred's hosp in Sydney earning about 2.5x what she would here, doing no private work. The income tax rates aren't massively different. She's seeing more UK docs working there, every year. She's been off for 2 kids and gone back, too.

 

[noseall]

rich people have always wanted to get richer.

Eight words of truth in that drivel post. Well done boyo. Better funded than ever my arse.

 

[transam]

Yeah, losing a **** load of the people who keep us healthy as we age; reassemble us when some idiot runs us over or cures our cancers is a great idea. You should run for office.

Well it pays more

 

[Tigercubrider]

An MP in 2010 earned £61k
Now, they earn £86 k

That’s a 27% increase. Kind of puts a Dr’s salary n scale

 

[fillyboy]

MSN

The leader of the junior doctors’ union will continue to be paid this week while his striking colleagues lose hundreds of pounds in wages.

Dr Robert Laurenson, co-chairman of the British Medical Association’s (BMA) junior doctors committee, will not be appearing on the picket lines after he took the week off to attend a wedding, The Telegraph revealed on Wednesday.

Some 47,000 junior doctors will be walking out over four days in a dispute over pay and are expected to lose around £450 in wages, analysis suggests.

Dr Laurenson is in the UK but is off work because of the “longstanding commitment”, the BMA said, and because he is on annual leave it is understood he will not be penalised.

Rishi Sunak said on Wednesday he was “surprised to read” Dr Laurenson was on holiday during the strikes.

There was no answer at the GP trainee’s large farmhouse-style family home on Wednesday night, which is valued at up to £1.4 million and had three cars on the driveway including a Porsche sports car and a Mercedes 4x4.

One neighbour, in the upmarket cul-de-sac in Orpington, south-east London, said: “I haven’t seen them much over the last two weeks.”

Meanwhile, the union has urged senior medics to demand even higher wages to cover striking junior doctors.

The new rate card for April tells consultants to demand £269 per hour for night shifts, meaning they could earn more than £2,100 for one shift. The rate has increased from £262 in March.

Consultants should negotiate the higher rate when asked to carry out non-contractual work, the union says, including “providing cover for foreseeable junior doctor colleague absences”.

It was reported this week that many consultants in London have refused to do extra shifts during the strikes because their trusts will not pay the higher rates.

It is understood hospital bosses are finding it more costly to find cover for this round of strikes because of the increased rate card.

Dr Christopher Hammond, a consultant vascular radiologist, said he was cancelling his BMA membership owing to the “belligerent management” of the current dispute, including its attempts to boost consultants' pay by covering striking workers.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

This is crucial. A matter of national shame in my view.

I agree with you for once Charlie (that we import more doctors than we train). Doctoring is not unique in this respect; we have taken in many foreign workers to do all sorts of jobs at the expense of our own people. I have said this many times and usually get called racist for if.

 

[noseall]

MSN

The leader of the junior doctors’ union will continue to be paid this week while his striking colleagues lose hundreds of pounds in wages.

Dr Robert Laurenson, co-chairman of the British Medical Association’s (BMA) junior doctors committee, will not be appearing on the picket lines after he took the week off to attend a wedding, The Telegraph revealed on Wednesday.

Some 47,000 junior doctors will be walking out over four days in a dispute over pay and are expected to lose around £450 in wages, analysis suggests.

Dr Laurenson is in the UK but is off work because of the “longstanding commitment”, the BMA said, and because he is on annual leave it is understood he will not be penalised.

Rishi Sunak said on Wednesday he was “surprised to read” Dr Laurenson was on holiday during the strikes.

There was no answer at the GP trainee’s large farmhouse-style family home on Wednesday night, which is valued at up to £1.4 million and had three cars on the driveway including a Porsche sports car and a Mercedes 4x4.

One neighbour, in the upmarket cul-de-sac in Orpington, south-east London, said: “I haven’t seen them much over the last two weeks.”

Meanwhile, the union has urged senior medics to demand even higher wages to cover striking junior doctors.

The new rate card for April tells consultants to demand £269 per hour for night shifts, meaning they could earn more than £2,100 for one shift. The rate has increased from £262 in March.

Consultants should negotiate the higher rate when asked to carry out non-contractual work, the union says, including “providing cover for foreseeable junior doctor colleague absences”.

It was reported this week that many consultants in London have refused to do extra shifts during the strikes because their trusts will not pay the higher rates.

It is understood hospital bosses are finding it more costly to find cover for this round of strikes because of the increased rate card.

Dr Christopher Hammond, a consultant vascular radiologist, said he was cancelling his BMA membership owing to the “belligerent management” of the current dispute, including its attempts to boost consultants' pay by covering striking workers.

Very noble. The lad is using his valuable holiday pay during a strike. Fair do's

 

[noseall]

at the expense of our own people.

Nonsense.
Foreign workers have benefitted the UK and are essential for the economy.

 

[Vinty]

The rest of the world is doing very well from all the NHS training that we're all paying for

Should havie included the private health sector in Britain as well.
They poach doctors and nurses from the NHS.
Maybe if the private sector is going to use NHS staff they should pay towards the cost of training them.

 

[Vinty]

if evil Tories are doing so well with the NHS how come waiting times have risen consistently since 2010

The sister of a friend of mine was on the waiting list for a hip operation, she was waitng years in constant pain.
Finally her family stumped up £14000 to get the operation done privately.
One the money was produced, she was sorted in a few weeks, apparently 14 grand for a hip operation isn't expensive compared to some countries, this because private health care in the UK are using NHS staff on the side.
If the Private sector are using NHS trained nurses then they should be paying a levy towards the cost of training those staff.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

From your link filly. Not the big amounts of earnings Some people are trying to suggest.

Some 47,000 junior doctors will be walking out over four days in a dispute over pay and are expected to lose around £450 in wages, analysis suggests.

 

[JohnD]

They poach doctors and nurses from the NHS.
Maybe if the private sector is going to use NHS staff they should pay towards the cost of training them.

I wonder what would happen if the country was ruled for 15 years by a party that was dogmatically opposed to public services and wanted to undermine the NHS.

Would they engineer poor pay and conditions?

Would they hold pay rises below inflation so workers got poorer?

Would they reduce investment and resources?

Would they cheer when they blocked pay rises?

Would they push hospital doctors down towards Minimum Wage hourly rates?

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

Would they push hospital doctors down towards Minimum Wage hourly rates?

You haven't made the very important distinction that they're junior doctors, i.e. trainees. They earn much more than minimum wage, around £50k and have a guaranteed much higher salary of around £100k in the future, only a few years ahead.

Many apprentices earn below minimum wage, some earn nothing as unpaid interns. Higher eduction students effectively earn less than nothing, as they get into debt while earning nothing, as they are investing in their future higher earnings.

They are probably the best paid trainees in the country.

This is just snouts in the trough stuff, which they're attempting to spin as caring about patients.

 

[JohnD]

trainees.

"Junior Doctors" is a term used for qualified doctors below Consultant grade.

They are not spotty young apprentices.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

"Junior Doctors" is a term used for qualified doctors below Consultant grade.

They are not spotty young apprentices.

They're fresh graduates, they are junior for 5 years and have to struggle by on a mere £50k for this time.

After 5 years they become a consultant or GP and their salary doubles.

This strike is an insult to the tax-paying working classes who pay their bloated salaries.