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Goldspoon
Just to clarify: the 600mm only applies to freestanding stoves and not those in a fireplace recess. stovefittersmanual.co.uk
Just had a Twin Wall system installed and already think I have been done in terms of Flue-System cost and system design considerations.
The Team fitted roughly 4 meters of MidTherm twin-wall tube, bottom support bracket, 2 wall brackets and a 45 Deg Elbow plus a straight and 45Deg Elbow from Stove to join Twin System.
Notes: The internal fit looks "Neat" but the join from Single to Twin is within the Cavity and hence No cavity liner?
No Cleaning ' Inspection plate out-side of building?
Views please on design and by the way the small amount of Flue cost me circa £1200!!!
I understand what you are saying, I now have to replace a flue liner due to using smokeless fuel and the quotes are a rip off £1000.00 is the lowest. First quote £1250.00 + VAT. I know how easy it is and how long it takes and how much the top quality flue liner costs (HETAS approved £320.00 for 10m) and the quote does not justify the work involved. The people defending the cost have lost any idea of the average mans earnings. I will quite willingly pay an registered electrician or a plumber etc the usual hourly rate but this does not equate. I have all the same issues as yourself realising I could do this using a builder for fixing at the top and seal it at the bottom myself (I am no good on a roof). No HETAS engineer will allow you to buy the Liner etc yourself because they wont be able to rip you off by doubling the price and I do understand overheads but not to this extent. They know you need the paperwork.Another year perfect running with no issues and DIY sweep which couldnt be easier.
As the only trade body other than building control that can deal with solid fuel installations.....
Bearing in mind HETAS are the only people it seems able to do solid fuel installations, dont you agree I wasnt best served by HETAS?...
SCHEDULE 3 Regulations 12(6)(a) and 20(1)
Self-certification Schemes and Exemptions from Requirement to Give Building Notice or Deposit Full Plans
4. Installation of a solid fuel burning combustion appliance.
A person registered by Ascertiva Group Limited, Association of Plumbing and Heating Contractors (Certification) Limited, Benchmark Certification Limited, Building Engineering Services Competence Accreditation Limited, ECA Certification Limited, HETAS Limited or NAPIT Registration Limited in respect of that type of work.
20. Any building work which is necessary to ensure that any appliance, service or fitting which is installed and which is described in the preceding entries in column 1 above, complies with the applicable requirements contained in Schedule 1. This paragraph does not apply to the provision of a masonry chimney.
The person who installs the appliance, service or fitting to which the building work relates and who is described in the corresponding entry in column 2 above.
I know this quote is a bit old, it just really winds me up when I see unfortunate situations like this, so I thought I'd let you all know the actual position (HETAS won't like this )
As the only trade body other than building control that can deal with solid fuel installations.....
Bearing in mind HETAS are the only people it seems able to do solid fuel installations, dont you agree I wasnt best served by HETAS?...
That's the spin by HETAS! (and they'd like to keep it that way), they AREN'T a legal body, they are just a certifying body
You can have Building Control sign off a flue that a competent person (which could be you) has installed, or any one of these bodies can have 'competent' people certified for solid fuel:
"A person registered by Ascertiva Group Limited (NICEIC/Elecsa), Association of Plumbing and Heating Contractors (Certification) Limited, Benchmark Certification Limited, Building Engineering Services Competence Accreditation Limited, ECA Certification Limited, HETAS Limited or NAPIT Registration Limited in respect of that type of work."
How do I know? - we're with NAPIT
Here's the extract from the Building Regs:
SCHEDULE 3 Regulations 12(6)(a) and 20(1)
Self-certification Schemes and Exemptions from Requirement to Give Building Notice or Deposit Full Plans
4. Installation of a solid fuel burning combustion appliance.
A person registered by Ascertiva Group Limited, Association of Plumbing and Heating Contractors (Certification) Limited, Benchmark Certification Limited, Building Engineering Services Competence Accreditation Limited, ECA Certification Limited, HETAS Limited or NAPIT Registration Limited in respect of that type of work.
20. Any building work which is necessary to ensure that any appliance, service or fitting which is installed and which is described in the preceding entries in column 1 above, complies with the applicable requirements contained in Schedule 1. This paragraph does not apply to the provision of a masonry chimney.
The person who installs the appliance, service or fitting to which the building work relates and who is described in the corresponding entry in column 2 above.
I know this quote is a bit old, it just really winds me up when I see unfortunate situations like this, so I thought I'd let you all know the actual position (HETAS won't like this )
As the only trade body other than building control that can deal with solid fuel installations.....
Bearing in mind HETAS are the only people it seems able to do solid fuel installations, dont you agree I wasnt best served by HETAS?...
That's the spin by HETAS! (and they'd like to keep it that way), they AREN'T a legal body, they are just a certifying body
You can have Building Control sign off a flue that a competent person (which could be you) has installed, or any one of these bodies can have 'competent' people certified for solid fuel:
"A person registered by Ascertiva Group Limited (NICEIC/Elecsa), Association of Plumbing and Heating Contractors (Certification) Limited, Benchmark Certification Limited, Building Engineering Services Competence Accreditation Limited, ECA Certification Limited, HETAS Limited or NAPIT Registration Limited in respect of that type of work."
How do I know? - we're with NAPIT
Here's the extract from the Building Regs:
SCHEDULE 3 Regulations 12(6)(a) and 20(1)
Self-certification Schemes and Exemptions from Requirement to Give Building Notice or Deposit Full Plans
4. Installation of a solid fuel burning combustion appliance.
A person registered by Ascertiva Group Limited, Association of Plumbing and Heating Contractors (Certification) Limited, Benchmark Certification Limited, Building Engineering Services Competence Accreditation Limited, ECA Certification Limited, HETAS Limited or NAPIT Registration Limited in respect of that type of work.
20. Any building work which is necessary to ensure that any appliance, service or fitting which is installed and which is described in the preceding entries in column 1 above, complies with the applicable requirements contained in Schedule 1. This paragraph does not apply to the provision of a masonry chimney.
The person who installs the appliance, service or fitting to which the building work relates and who is described in the corresponding entry in column 2 above.
Good post , I looked into this and sure enough anyone can install a stove , BUT to be legal it needs to be signed off by either HETAS or your local building control , I spoken to Plymouth council building control and they informed me the fee would be £252 if notified in advance or £370 retrospectively , I asked who inspected the installation and yes you guessed it ...they subcontract the job to a local HETAS engineer
Outrageous I know but local building control have to inspect it and the price is fixed so on a big job money could be save by DIYing , I did not ask the second visit fee if you balls it up