Holiday snaps

[ban-all-sheds]

Spotted in an outbuilding of the Chateau de Canon in Normandy:

 

[JohnW2]

Spotted in an outbuilding of the Chateau de Canon in Normandy:

Fascinating. If we're doing France, moving to Burgundy, about a month ago, the below (feed to the motor of the awnings that can just be seen) was on the outside wall of our 'detached suite' in a rather fascinating hotel, just above the outside door (easily touchable, and exposed to elements). At least they have sort-of harmonised colours

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• JohnW2
• 2 Oct 2012
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Kind Regards, John

 

[AdrianUK]

E'lad thats nought ...... I've got a commisioning engineer out in Nigeria setting up some numerical protection relays for me.... when the power went off in the sub, he went outside to have a look at the changeover unit ......

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• AdrianUK
• 2 Oct 2012
• 1

This was open, in public space, in the rain .........

 

[JohnW2]

Fascinating. If we're doing France, moving to Burgundy, about a month ago, the below (feed to the motor of the awnings that can just be seen) was on the outside wall of our 'detached suite' in a rather fascinating hotel, just above the outside door (easily touchable, and exposed to elements).

I forgot to add that what I pictured is perhaps an example of the "exposed outdoor connection" which, as we discussed recently, according to one seemingly authoritative source is the only type of outdoor electrical work that requires notification

Kind Regards, John

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Only if you take a perverse-to-the-point-of-being-deranged view of what "exposed outdoor connections" means.....

 

[JohnW2]

Only if you take a perverse-to-the-point-of-being-deranged view of what "exposed outdoor connections" means.....

I wouldn't call it a 'perverse' view of the meaning of "exposed outdoor connection". What I photographed were (several) connections, which were clearly outdoors and clearly exposed - what could be clearer than that?

What is perverse (plain ridiculous) is that any document, authoritative or otherwise, should suggest that "exposed outdoor connections" are even acceptable, let alone the only outdoor electrical works that need to be notified. They really should have thought of some better (more correct) language than that to convey whatever was in their minds (which I don't think is absolutely clear, to any of us!).

Kind Regards, John

 

[securespark]

I honestly think that if there is any ambiguity in what is written in rules and regulations, then it should be clarified.

 

[JohnW2]

I honestly think that if there is any ambiguity in what is written in rules and regulations, then it should be clarified.

The 'regs' themselves (actually Schedule 4 of the Building regs - i.e. 'the law') are clear enough, essentially saying that any outdoor electrical work is notifiable - which makes sense. It is something else (was it Approved Document P?) that crazily says that outdoor work is only notifiable if it involves "exposed outdoor connections" (whatever was in their mind when they wrote that!).

Kind Regards, John

 

[ban-all-sheds]

What is perverse (plain ridiculous) is that any document, authoritative or otherwise, should suggest that "exposed outdoor connections" are even acceptable

AFAIK there aren't any.

They really should have thought of some better (more correct) language than that to convey whatever was in their minds (which I don't think is absolutely clear, to any of us!).

It's clear to me.

Exposed outdoor connections.

i.e. connections between or to things such as accessories, lights, pumps, buildings etc which are outdoors and exposed.

So a light on the outside wall of a house which has a cable running through the wall directly into the light does not have an exposed outdoor connection. A 2nd light daisy-chained from the first with a length of Hituf or TRS etc clipped to the brickwork creates an exposed outdoor connection.

 

[JohnW2]

They really should have thought of some better (more correct) language than that to convey whatever was in their minds (which I don't think is absolutely clear, to any of us!).

It's clear to me. Exposed outdoor connections. i.e. connections between or to things such as accessories, lights, pumps, buildings etc which are outdoors and exposed. So a light on the outside wall of a house which has a cable running through the wall directly into the light does not have an exposed outdoor connection. A 2nd light daisy-chained from the first with a length of Hituf or TRS etc clipped to the brickwork creates an exposed outdoor connection.

I'm glad that it's clear to you, since it's not at all clear to me. In your example, I'm not at all sure why the 'connection' to the second light is necessarily any more an 'exposed external connection' than that to the first. Furthermore, what if one ran a length of underground SWA between two buildings (say 'to extend an existing circuit', which does not, in itself, require notification), with both ends terminated within the buildings. To my simple mind, there are then clearly no 'outdoor connections' at all (exposed or otherwise), but I wouldn't have expected you to say that the work didn't require notification.

Also, given that the example in my photo is obviously silly in this regard (they clearly didn't mean to imply 'exposed to the elements and prying fingers'), what is the meaning of 'exposed' which is different from 'outdoor'? Put another way, what would be meant by "an unexposed outdoor connection"?

I'm afraid that it is all just about as clear as mud to me - maybe I'm just dim. However, fortunately it's neither BS7671 nor 'the law', so we don't have to worry about it too much!

Kind Regards, John.

 

[securespark]

Wrong!

An enclosure with electrical connections in it is an enclosure with electrical connections in it......

 

[securespark]

Wrong!

An enclosure with electrical connections in it is an enclosure with electrical connections in it......

Just to clarify, I agree with what John wrote...

In your example, I'm not at all sure why the 'connection' to the second light is necessarily any more an 'exposed external connection' than that to the first.

 

[JohnW2]

Wrong! An enclosure with electrical connections in it is an enclosure with electrical connections in it......

I'm confused - what is 'Wrong!', and where did this talk of enclosures come from?

Kind Regards, John

 

[ban-all-sheds]

In your example, I'm not at all sure why the 'connection' to the second light is necessarily any more an 'exposed external connection' than that to the first.

The connection between the 2 lights is:

a) outdoors

b) exposed

Furthermore, what if one ran a length of underground SWA between two buildings (say 'to extend an existing circuit', which does not, in itself, require notification), with both ends terminated within the buildings. To my simple mind, there are then clearly no 'outdoor connections' at all (exposed or otherwise), but I wouldn't have expected you to say that the work didn't require notification.

Why not? Read Schedule 4 - what you have described is not a Special Installation....

Put another way, what would be meant by "an unexposed outdoor connection"?

A connection between 2 outdoor items which is not exposed.

 

[mattylad]

The biggest problem here is that it is French.