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[JohnW2]

No - not missing. Quite the opposite in fact. Perhaps if when you look you fail to find anything written by me which expresses the belief that installation of a length of HiTuf joining two external lights is notifiable you will cease to struggle.

In that case, I genuinely am confused about your position. Maybe my recollection is faulty, but I thought it was you who even expressed the opinion that if one clipped the cable of a pre-wired plug-in 'outdoor lighting kit' to a wall or fence, that it then became an 'outdoor electrical installation' and hence (per Schedule 4, not the AD) notifiable. If such were your view, then surely you would feel the same about the length of HiTuf, wouldn't you? Maybe my recollections are all up the creek - so perhaps you could clarify your view as to what 'outdoor electrics' are, and are not, notifiable? Thanks.

Kind Regards, John

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Sorry - I explained that very badly.

My position is that nothing becomes non-notifiable or remains notifiable because of the outdoor-exposedness of connections.

Much of this topic has been about what an exposed outdoor connection is in the context of Approved Document P, but it is not a concept which appears in Schedule 4, and therefore it is not relevant to what is truly notifiable or not.

Schedule 4 makes all outdoor lighting notifiable, no matter where the connections run. It also makes extending a circuit to another building non-notifiable, no matter where the connection runs, assuming that the destination is not a special location etc.

 

[JohnW2]

Sorry - I explained that very badly.
My position is that nothing becomes non-notifiable or remains notifiable because of the outdoor-exposedness of connections.

Fair enough. I agree with what you say.

Much of this topic has been about what an exposed outdoor connection is in the context of Approved Document P, but it is not a concept which appears in Schedule 4, and therefore it is not relevant to what is truly notifiable or not.

Agreed.

Schedule 4 makes all outdoor lighting notifiable, no matter where the connections run.

That's what I've always believed, which is why I was very confused when you wrote:

Perhaps if when you look you fail to find anything written by me which expresses the belief that installation of a length of HiTuf joining two external lights is notifiable you will cease to struggle.

Do I take it that, rather than just badly expressed, what you say here about your beliefs is just plain wrong - since, as I understand it, being part of an outdoor lighting installation, you do believe that installation of that HiTuf would be notifiable?

It also makes extending a circuit to another building non-notifiable, no matter where the connection runs, assuming that the destination is not a special location etc.

Yes, that's what Schedule 4 seems to say, and I suppose that's the bit that rather surprises me. It appears that, so long as it is fed from an existing circuit, one can run outdoor/underground SWA from house to, say, a detached garage/shed to serve sockets and maybe lighting without the need for notification. For that to actually be a practical option I imagine that one would need an 'under-used' radial circuit (ideally 32A, but 20A would be just about do-able) to extend. If one's requirements in the garage were pretty modest, I suppose one could do it as a 13A fused spur, but that would be a bit restrictive. However, for a DIYer wishing to avoid the cost of notification, it might well be worth consideing.

Kind Regards, John

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Do I take it that, rather than just badly expressed, what you say here about your beliefs is just plain wrong - since, as I understand it, being part of an outdoor lighting installation, you do believe that installation of that HiTuf would be notifiable?

No - just badly expressed, and apparently (although I didn't think so) badly clarified.

It is the installation of the lighting which is notifiable, and it is notifiable because it is outside lighting, not because the cable is outdoors and exposed. The cable is irrelevant, and has no status of its own.

Subject to no other special location considerations etc, extending a circuit into an outbuilding is not notifiable because extending a circuit is not notifiable. That the cable runs outdoors is irrelevant, because the cable has no status of its own.

 

[JohnW2]

Do I take it that, rather than just badly expressed, what you say here about your beliefs is just plain wrong - since, as I understand it, being part of an outdoor lighting installation, you do believe that installation of that HiTuf would be notifiable?

No - just badly expressed, and apparently (although I didn't think so) badly clarified. It is the installation of the lighting which is notifiable, and it is notifiable because it is outside lighting, not because the cable is outdoors and exposed. The cable is irrelevant, and has no status of its own.

Yes, I agree with that.

Subject to no other special location considerations etc, extending a circuit into an outbuilding is not notifiable because extending a circuit is not notifiable. That the cable runs outdoors is irrelevant, because the cable has no status of its own.

Yes, I've already agreed that such is what Schedule 4 says, and also expressed my relative surprise. I would rather have expected them to have felt the need to guard against those who might bury unprotected T&E 6 inches deep, by making outside (particularly underground) cable runs notifiable, per se, regardless of where they were terminated - wouldn't you?

Kind Regards, John

 

[ban-all-sheds]

You mean like they made all runs of cables buried in internal walls notifiable?

 

[JohnW2]

You mean like they made all runs of cables buried in internal walls notifiable?

If they are going to allow anything tlo be non-notifiable, they obviously have to draw a line somewhere, but I'd personally say that cables in walls and oudoor buried cables are in somewhat different leagues. However, opinions will obviously vary.

Kind Regards, John.