How is this happening in this county

[ReganAndCarter]

But they want you to blame the migrants instead.

An old trick, and it often works.

Total bowllux. We're intelligent enough to realise that the real problem is trecherous politicians. The immigrants are just hapless chancers and the world's unwashed flotsam - who like seagulls will follow the bin lorry in the hope of a free meal. I don't want them, but can't blame them for trying.

 

[Justin Passing]

It's the scandal of our times.

One of them, yes, but the thread is about homeless and lack of spaces to put them.
Supply and demand.
Market force, even at high property valuations, isn't providing supply of new builds because it doesn't pay well enough, so councils/taxes would have to pay for them.
Demand - well we do have an obvious source for that. Yes folk from war-torn countries want to emigrate and all countrries recognise an obligation to take some. But not all. The numbers have to be regulated.

Since pre brexit, the UK was one of the more welcoming countries to immigrants with regards to housing (EU report), with higher status given to them in housing applications than most other EU countries, which downgrade them.
Germany of course has the highest number of immigrants, but a report in July this year says that 25% of their 2015-16 influx is still in refugee shelters. This is despite councils paying landlords for the first 2 years rent for immigrants. Many areas in Germany have been saying "full". The Uk is attractive to migrants because of our policies. This i borne out by the numbers - roughly on a par with say Spain, despite the obviously different geographical situatons. It's for many reasons, one of which is lenience
International agreements will be just about impossible.
Sure, the trolls can use the matter as a stick to mindlessly hit our government of the day as their trope compels them, but that recourse is as squalid and wretched as the troll.
Part of the problem comes from a traditional Brit desire to be important in areas of strife, while not considering the comeback - the pun fits.
We don't have a legal framework to deter, unlike as that report said, most EU countries. There are things which can be done.
The example I referred to earlier illustrates. A man got here as a refugee. Therefore he could immediately bring his family. He got the odd job but couldn't support his family. He lost his job, the family split. The family weren't refugees but they weren't sent back, so became five more to be housed, educated and the rest. I think that attitude has to change, too.

 

[JohnD]

We're intelligent enough to realise that the real problem is trecherous politicians.

Sadly, not all of us.

 

[Brigadier]

If only there was somebody responsible for running the country.

County.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Giving all our houses to immigrants

So once we've given all our houses away, we'll build some more, which we can then give them away, so we'll need to build some more, ad infinitum.

Some people really do not think about what they're about to say before they say it.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Could it possibly be the result of people having children that they can't afford to bring up?
Could it be that there are a lot of single mothers who get everything from the state at the same time as boasting that they are doing it all on their own and don't need anybody else, i.e. a husband with a job?

Could it possibly be that most parenst hve children they can ill afford to bring up?
That's why the government give child benefit (about £100 per month for the first child).

Blame the Mothers, and assume the Fathers are blameless.
The population reproduction for UK has been pretty static since the late 70's. So if the housing crisis is a recent problem, it's hardly likely to be a result of a higher reproductive rate.
Additionally, at about 1 women :1.7 children, if a growth in GDP is required something has to grow, whether that's the population or creating an auto-industry, something is needed

 

[Roy Bloom]

Come on Notch. We can see it with our own eyes. Extra millions in UK population, mainly pennyless, sponging third worlders. I can see it happening not far from me on a council estate that was almost 100% local white Bristolian. Amid a housing crisis where private rents are unaffordable and local people can't even get on the council list - our trecherous politicians are giving housing to third worlders as quickly as they can. It's a bit obvious when suddenly you are seeing big numbers of brown faces.

Strangely all the homeless panhandlers in these parts are white.

Your bigotry is notorous and you'll blame immigrants for anything and everything.
Believing is seeing in your mind.

 

[Roy Bloom]

It started with Thatcher and went down hill thereafter. Also, not solely blaming immigration ...... but it certainly doesn't help

Without immigration the country would be in crisis.

 

[Roy Bloom]

It's been going wrong since at least the 70's and I've never heard of workable solutions.
As a woman with kids she gets SOME accommodation. A bloke would be on the streets because he doesn't qualify for the same support.

745,000 sounds like too many for an immigraion figure, but if t's right, how in hell can we keep up with housing? If anyone has a reference--?? I expect there's one of those Fact Check podcasts on it.

The UK reproduction rate has been relatively static since about the late 70's, at about 1 woman to 1.7 children.
About half of the immigrants are dependents of the immigrant that was given a visa. It was within the governement's control to give or refuse a visa.
The points based immigration system makes no mention of accomodation.
Brexit changed the demographics of the immigrants. EU immigrants were usually young, unattached and healthy, who intended to return home at some point.
Brexit vastly reduced the EU immigrants and shifted the focus to non-EU immigrants. They are far more likely to re-settle permanently in UK, and have families to bring into UK on a permanent basis.

The asylum seekers only make up about 2% of the net immigration total.

271000 homeless last Jan. There was something on the radio a couple of weeks ago about the high number of cases of migrants bringing their dependents in, then splitting up producing needy people. Such dependents are not repatriated. There are hIgh rates of homelessness amongst the immigrant population. Immigration does seem to be a significant part of the problem,. We don't afford to treat them as we would like, because, in part, there are too many.
INfo like this https://www.gov.uk/government/stati...y-do-people-come-to-the-uk-for-family-reasons is out of date and updates are differently split.

We could build a whole new town just for one year's migrants. 745,000 would be quite a big town. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_the_United_Kingdom. Leeds. Five times Oxford.
There would be a big town, all immigrants of the cohort of '23. One for each year. There would be no problem there, would there?

It might not be woke to say it, but it appears to be true. Immigration at the current volume is causing us and the immigrants, problems, and needs to be reduced.

Without immigration the country would be in crisis. Health, care and hospitality industries would collapse, and the universities would be in financial meltdown.

 

[Roy Bloom]

And it is not just houses to home 750,000. The whole infrastructure needs to also be created. Roads, Buses, Hospitals, Supermarkets, Leisure Centres, Sewage, Electric & Gas supplies, Schools, Water pipes, industrial estates.

The 750,000 migrants have to share what we already have -

It is not rocket science to work out why our country is falling to bits, can't get an appointment with a doctor, no police, sewage pouring into our rivers. Housing Crises ....

In order to finance those things you mentioned requires a growth in GDP. To achieve that requires immigrants.
It's the economic model that sets those dependencies.

 

[Roy Bloom]

What do you think about the Migrants running our Country? How do you feel about Sue Ellen?

How about Boris? And Pritti? You don't like them very much do you John?

I think Suella and Priti are intelligent people. I may disagree with their lpolitics, but I don't underestimate their intelligence.
Now BJ, to mention intelligence and BJ in the same breath is like swearing at the vicar.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Another factor is that if we are to get on top of this crisis in housing, more workers are going to be needed, that means more immigrants required, that means more housing and services required for the new arrivals, that means more workers required and it goes on and on.

That's the economic model that dictates the dependencies.

 

[Roy Bloom]

we need to take some tips from Qatar and the building of the world cup venue! the ones that didn't die on the job got sent home on completion. We don't need a workforce that hangs about into retirement, that sort of thing defeats the object.

But then you'd have Bod making post after post about the inhumanity of it.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Well I suppose the 750000 migrants have to be housed some where ??

No they don't. Accomodation doesn't appear in the points based immigration system.

 

[Roy Bloom]

our glorious leader up here north of the border is apparently inviting all the gazisians to come and join us

Have you met our leader Humasa Yousless, he's not remotely racist in any way at all.

He's quite rightly bringing to everyone's attention that all the senior roles in Scotland government, justice system, industry, etc are taken by white poeople. That suggests an Institutional Racist phillosphy.