How is this happening in this county

[Roy Bloom]

If I needed quick Google search could give me that.

But I think you know my angle!

Obtuse?

 

[Roy Bloom]

A 40 year old Jewish man attending the march said it's surreal the numbers attending the march, he went on to say it's also surreal that we're having to have a march in Britain.

It;s surreal that we have to have a mrach to appeal for the end of a war, and another to protest against racism.

 

[Roy Bloom]

The Gaza family tending World War graves for 100 years - BBC News

The tradition which began during World War One has been passed from father to son.

www-bbc-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org

It's probably been destroyed by bombing, by the Israelis by now.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Do you think Tommy Robinson got hisself arrrested on porpoise?

I didn't see hin on that! Was he perched on it? Baiting the rozzers?
Was he having a whale of a time?
It sounds fishy anyway, a maggot is not much of a catch for the rozzers, even if he was caught cod and proper.
etc
etc
etc.

 

[Roy Bloom]

and her is a single reaspn https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67538443

You can add this to the other 200 hostages and the 1200 massacred by genocidal terrorists

What about the over 5,000 hostages prisoners taken by Israel over the last few decades?
Some young children arrested and imprisoned for throwing stones.
Don't they have a name, none ot them?
I've yet to see one Palestinian taken by Israel as hostage prisoner named

Some of those 1200 Israelis killed on 7 October were killed by friendly fire.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Imagine the uproar if a so called white guy was saying that, but using the term black or muslim. etc.. pure racism. He needs to see past the colour and look at talent.

He is not responsible for the hiring of the people he's referring to.
He is arguing that those who do the hiring should see past the ethnicity of the applicant.
If it was a white person who said those words, but referring to all the senior roles in Scotland held by black, Muslim, etc, they'd be ignoring the reality of the situation.

 

[Notch7]

Given that the unemployment levels in the UK are low and there are loads of vacancies shows there is not an excess of immigrants.

The housing problem is not immigrants, it's decades of political failure, starting with Thatcher flogging 1.5 million council houses.

Then the Blair period saw cheap mortgages, followed by a spell of interest only mortgages.

Then 2010 till 2021 we had massive Quantitative Easing which throws money into the economy ending up in land and property investments

And we have a planning system that bakes buying difficult

The new build market is dominated by the bigger players who can land bank and control supply ensuring demand always outstrips supply keeping prices growing.


We now have a generation of young people trapped in rent and can only get on the ladder if their family has wealth for a deposit.

 

[Roy Bloom]

That's a heck of a lot of people with the surname White, it's a disgrace!

Jokes aside, I can foresee future problems up here in bonnie Scotland. The SNP almost seem to desire an open door policy when it comes to any migrants and numbers don't seem to be discussed. I've said on here before, I'm sure the SNP even discussed the possibility of building one or two new towns almost exclusively to house migrants.

It's all well and good politicians 'speaking for the people' and in Scotland's case stating things like how welcoming the Scottish people are. Maybe so, however I suspect that welcoming nature will be increasingly tested if the migrant numbers ramp up and up.

Tyhe economic model is built on GDP, which is built on the ability to hire labour. Without the availability of labour the economic model fails.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Total bowllux. We're intelligent enough to realise that the real problem is trecherous politicians. The immigrants are just hapless chancers and the world's unwashed flotsam - who like seagulls will follow the bin lorry in the hope of a free meal. I don't want them, but can't blame them for trying.

The immigrants you're referring to are those sought by industry, awarded a visa to come and settle in UK to restore the 'growth' in the economy.
They're invariably employees that can not be found in UK.

And don't overestimate your intelligence.

 

[Roy Bloom]

One of them, yes, but the thread is about homeless and lack of spaces to put them.
Supply and demand.
Market force, even at high property valuations, isn't providing supply of new builds because it doesn't pay well enough, so councils/taxes would have to pay for them.
Demand - well we do have an obvious source for that. Yes folk from war-torn countries want to emigrate and all countrries recognise an obligation to take some. But not all. The numbers have to be regulated.

You're confused.
The housing shortage is not affected in any way by asylum seekers.
If the blame is on immigration (and I'm not agreeing with that!), it would be on legal immigrants and their dependents.
Te ones that the government give a visa, and their dependents.
But there's no mention of accomodation in the UK's points based immigration policies.

Since pre brexit, the UK was one of the more welcoming countries to immigrants with regards to housing (EU report), with higher status given to them in housing applications than most other EU countries, which downgrade them.

Are you suggesting that the young, unattched, temporary EU migrant was awarded a higher priority for housing than indigenous homeless people?

Germany of course has the highest number of immigrants, but a report in July this year says that 25% of their 2015-16 influx is still in refugee shelters. This is despite councils paying landlords for the first 2 years rent for immigrants. Many areas in Germany have been saying "full". The Uk is attractive to migrants because of our policies. This i borne out by the numbers - roughly on a par with say Spain, despite the obviously different geographical situatons. It's for many reasons, one of which is lenience

I think you're talking out of your backside.
UK policies welcoming to immigrants?
Like 'hostile environemnt', 'Brexit', etc.

International agreements will be just about impossible.
Sure, the trolls can use the matter as a stick to mindlessly hit our government of the day as their trope compels them, but that recourse is as squalid and wretched as the troll.

You think it's 'trolling' to argue that the whole 'refugee' situation requires a global approach?
Well that's one way to dismiss a reality.

A man got here as a refugee. Therefore he could immediately bring his family. He got the odd job but couldn't support his family. He lost his job, the family split. The family weren't refugees but they weren't sent back, so became five more to be housed, educated and the rest. I think that attitude has to change, too.

Nonsense. Immigrants that come here on visas are allowed to bring their dependents, but an ability to partially support them is applied.

Exactly the same ability is required for a successful asylum applicant.
The big difference is that the immigrant who arrives with a visa usually has a job to go to.
Whereas a successful asylum seeker has to start from scratch, in order to rise to a position in work that their salary can support a dependent.

A successful asylum application is awarded to an individual, not their dependents.

 

[Duduman]

Too many people, not enough houses. Build more houses, more people will follow, then back to square one. This problem has only gotten worse over successive governments who cant see that having too many people on this "island" will cause all sorts of problems. It may not necessarily be the governments but the masses who support unlimited "people" entering the country, unchecked, undocumented. Anymore words on this matter and this could become a rant so I'd better stop.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Too many people, not enough houses. Build more houses, more people will follow, then back to square one. This problem has only gotten worse over successive governments who cant see that having too many people on this "island" will cause all sorts of problems. It may not necessarily be the governments but the masses who support unlimited "people" entering the country, unchecked, undocumented. Anymore words on this matter and this could become a rant so I'd better stop.

The economic model depends on growth.
That in turn depends on inceasing sellers of their labour, and buyers of the goods produced.
It's obvious that the economic model, i.e. growth, depends on immigration.

Post-capitalists must understand the role of migration in global capitalism​

the notion of being ‘pro’ or ‘anti’ migration is a useless hook for popular debate

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/oureconomy/post-capitalists-must-understand-role-migration-global-capitalism/

 

[Deleted member 294929]

Obtuse?

Yes Roy I understand.
We all need to be a bit forgiving.

Just write less and not as often.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Too many people, not enough houses. Build more houses, more people will follow, then back to square one. This problem has only gotten worse over successive governments who cant see that having too many people on this "island" will cause all sorts of problems. It may not necessarily be the governments but the masses who support unlimited "people" entering the country, unchecked, undocumented. Anymore words on this matter and this could become a rant so I'd better stop.

Interesting that you blame the masses and not the Government.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Yes Roy I understand.
We all need to be a bit forgiving.

Just write less and not as often.

I suspect it's far more about what I write than the amount, nor the frequency.
And if you don't like what I write, don't read it.